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  • Scottdau
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    • Feb 2003
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    #31
    Re: What do you guys think - Wrong or Justified?

    Lol, OK We will just disagree on this. To me this a planned out action. He was mad that he didn't get to shoot the other kid, so he took out on this other kid. The part where it becomes planned to me is when he goes and gets another gun. What does he think he is going to do with that gun just shoot him 5 times, but not kill him?

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    • Marino
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      • Jan 2008
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      #32
      Re: What do you guys think - Wrong or Justified?

      Originally posted by Scottdau
      Lol, OK We will just disagree on this. To me this a planned out action. He was mad that he didn't get to shoot the other kid, so he took out on this other kid. The part where it becomes planned to me is when he goes and gets another gun. What does he think he is going to do with that gun just shoot him 5 times, but not kill him?
      Do you know the difference between 1st and 2nd degree murder?

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      • TheShizNo1
        Asst 2 the Comm Manager
        • Mar 2007
        • 26341

        #33
        Originally posted by Scottdau
        Lol, OK We will just disagree on this. To me this a planned out action. He was mad that he didn't get to shoot the other kid, so he took out on this other kid. The part where it becomes planned to me is when he goes and gets another gun. What does he think he is going to do with that gun just shoot him 5 times, but not kill him?
        How can you say what he was feeling? Have you ever been robbed at gun point? It might not have been his first time and he decided to send a message.

        The kid put himself in that position. I believe not putting yourself in situations where you can get shot drastically reduces that happening.
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        • Scottdau
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          • Feb 2003
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          #34
          Re: What do you guys think - Wrong or Justified?

          Lol he excuted the kid. How is that not 1st degree? The part where it becomes planned is when he goes and get another gun. Oh well we will just agree to disgree.

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          • Scottdau
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            • Feb 2003
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            #35
            Re: What do you guys think - Wrong or Justified?

            Originally posted by TheShizNo1
            How can you say what he was feeling? Have you ever been robbed at gun point? It might not have been his first time and he decided to send a message.

            The kid put himself in that position. I believe not putting yourself in situations where you can get shot drastically reduces that happening.
            If he was proven a point than that would make it first degree. Because he had a plan if that happened again he would excuted the guy.

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            • Marino
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              • Jan 2008
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              #36
              Re: What do you guys think - Wrong or Justified?

              Originally posted by Scottdau
              If he was proven a point than that would make it first degree. Because he had a plan if that happened again he would excuted the guy.
              Not if it could be proven that he was in a fit of rage. That would be 2nd degree regardless of what happened.

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              • Scottdau
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                • Feb 2003
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                #37
                Re: What do you guys think - Wrong or Justified?

                Originally posted by Marino
                Do you know the difference between 1st and 2nd degree murder?
                I guess I don't according to your definition. When a guy goes and looks for another gun and then shoot him 5 times. I am sorry, but that is first degree murder. If he had the same gun and then shoots him maybe you can say he is in shock, but to go get another gun and then go shoot the kid 5 times with that gun, I have no other thing to say other than 1st degree.

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                • Marino
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                  • Jan 2008
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                  #38
                  Re: What do you guys think - Wrong or Justified?

                  Originally posted by Scottdau
                  I guess I don't according to your definition. When a guy goes and looks for another gun and then shoot him 5 times. I am sorry, but that is first degree murder. If he had the same gun and then shoots him maybe you can say he is in shock, but to go get another gun and then go shoot the kid 5 times with that gun, I have no other thing to say other than 1st degree.
                  So, you don't know the difference then?

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                  • Kearnzo
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                    • Jul 2002
                    • 5963

                    #39
                    Re: What do you guys think - Wrong or Justified?

                    Originally posted by Scottdau
                    I guess I don't according to your definition. When a guy goes and looks for another gun and then shoot him 5 times. I am sorry, but that is first degree murder. If he had the same gun and then shoots him maybe you can say he is in shock, but to go get another gun and then go shoot the kid 5 times with that gun, I have no other thing to say other than 1st degree.
                    Oy, this schtick is getting old. Pretty much everytime you're incorrect about something, you come back with the old "agree to disagree". This was 2nd degree murder. Do you really think he premeditated drawing the guys into the store to rob him so that he could pull a gun on the kid and kill him? Do you really think he planned out being robbed that day just so he could kill somebody? As was said before, who's to say he was in his right mind? Being robbed at gunpoint sure would shake me the hell up.

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                    • TheShizNo1
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                      • Mar 2007
                      • 26341

                      #40
                      I'm not arguing the degree of murder. Idk the difference between the 3(?). I'm saying it isn't as clear as black and white as to what exactly was going on in his mind
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                      • Scottdau
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                        • Feb 2003
                        • 32580

                        #41
                        Re: What do you guys think - Wrong or Justified?

                        Originally posted by Marino
                        So, you don't know the difference then?
                        First degree is planned. But how long does it has to be planned for. He planned as soon as he went and got another gun. At least that is how I see it. And I am sure the DA will see it that way too.

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                        • Scottdau
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                          • Feb 2003
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                          #42
                          Re: What do you guys think - Wrong or Justified?

                          Originally posted by Kearnzo
                          Oy, this schtick is getting old. Pretty much everytime you're incorrect about something, you come back with the old "agree to disagree". This was 2nd degree murder. Do you really think he premeditated drawing the guys into the store to rob him so that he could pull a gun on the kid and kill him? Do you really think he planned out being robbed that day just so he could kill somebody? As was said before, who's to say he was in his right mind? Being robbed at gunpoint sure would shake me the hell up.
                          Lol what ever I am not going to change my thinking and you aren't going to change your thinking. So what is wrong with saying let's agree to disagree? Unless you like to agrue I don't. I am just saying when you go back to the scene and go get another gun and then shoot the guy 5 times. I just can't see how that is not planned.

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                          • mburke2
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                            #43
                            Re: What do you guys think - Wrong or Justified?

                            Originally posted by Scottdau
                            First degree is planned. But how long does it has to be planned for. He planned as soon as he went and got another gun. At least that is how I see it. And I am sure the DA will see it that way too.
                            Normally First Degree means that it was premeditated well in advance. Since the subsequent shooting happened "in the heat of the moment" if you will, it should be 2nd Degree Murder. Either way its pretty dispicable IMO, but not premeditated First Degree Murder.
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                            • Marino
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                              • Jan 2008
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                              #44
                              Re: What do you guys think - Wrong or Justified?

                              Originally posted by Scottdau
                              First degree is planned. But how long does it has to be planned for. He planned as soon as he went and got another gun. At least that is how I see it. And I am sure the DA will see it that way too.
                              So, you don't know the difference then?

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                              • Scottdau
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                                • Feb 2003
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                                #45
                                Re: What do you guys think - Wrong or Justified?

                                That is what I ask before how long does it have to be planned. Let's say I plan to go kill someone right now and i go do it. Is that still second because I only planned it two minutes ago?

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