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I give up.

[snepp]

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I'm definitely over it after all this time

Speaking for myself, I'm not complaining anymore.

I give up.

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...that's for got damn sure.

You can say ******* on here.

It's not like smokers are coming around saying, "Hey, let's give everyone who doesn't smoke cancer".

By wanting to light up indoors in a public place and puff away on your crutches (that's what they really are) in a room full of non-smokers, that basically is what you're saying whether you realize it or not.

It's either ignorance, apathy, or both.

I'm sorry, but expecting a business to go out of their way to cater to a habit of your choosing isn't very reasonable.

100% spot on.

You guys are making it seem like we're throwing stones at you while you're smoking.

IS IT REALLY THAT HARD TO GO OUTSIDE AND SMOKE?

I'm not telling you to stop smoking. I'm saying, if you really need/want to smoke, you can easily go outside. We're not telling you to go inside a burning building. We're not saying to smoke in the middle of the highway. We're not saying to smoke next to a killer bee's nest.

All we're saying is go outside, in some fresh air, and smoke.

HOW HARD IS THAT TO UNDERSTAND?

110% spot on.

Yes if its 1 degree outside. Yes if its raining and yes if its an pending tornado.

You can either suck it up and deal with it, or move somewhere warm, or move somewhere where it rarely rains, or move somewhere where they rarely get tornadoes, or quit smoking altogether. It's not like you have no choice in that matter. You, and only you, are the "master of your domain."

Dressing for the elements is a given but nobody enjoys a smoke when your teeth are chattering and/or you're getting drenched tryna get shelter in the rain.

See above.

And I assume "tryna" is some kind of play on the words, "trying to" or something.

I know, I know, dont smoke then right?

You're the one that chose to start. Nobody held a gun to your head.

But they are saying we're inconveniencing them by making them go outside, instead of giving them a designated area in the same building that still pollutes the air with harmful toxins.

And people that don't smoke, don't want to have to walk by smoking sections and smell areas in the building that smell like smoke, or produce a collection of it that contain harmful toxins.

Unfortunately, no matter how unfair you think it is, smokers really don't have a say, nor an argument.

The act that you are performing, one, is not necessary for you to survive, two is a voluntary action, and three harms others.

Even smoking sections still spread smoke to other parts of the building. My grandparents live in an apartment complex, and smoke comes through their ventilation system, just like it would anywhere else.

Everyone technically has the right to do what they want, but when your performing a voluntary act and putting others in harm's way and infringes on others rights, for your own personal satisfaction, you really have no say, or aren't going to have much of a case.

So yes, either tough it out in the cold weather, or quit. That simple.

No high horse, just the facts. One reason so many of these bans are going into effect, is because really there is no way to form a case supporting it anymore other than, well it's our right to be in a certain location too.

A+ post. Would read again.

Talk about people feeling entitled.

Restricting where you can perform a health-hazardous action (yet still legal) in a public place is not a ban. You can still do it in designated areas and the ability to smoke is still a right of choice for the individual. The individual loses that right of choice when other people are involved and their rights are infringed upon. I don't see why this debate really needs to go past that point.

I can understand why a smoker's lounge would appeal to smokers, but I wouldn't be for it. Based on my experiences that would promote less work, more breaks, and a nasty *** room.

This pretty much sums it all up a lot more succinctly than I would have.

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Bottom line is, I smoked for 13 years and while I was able to smoke in public for the majority of that time, I did have to deal with having to smoke outdoors a lot of the time. Hell, I never even smoked inside my own home because I actually own nice things and don't want them to smell like an ashtray and get a nasty, yellowish-brown stain on them. If you have respect for your own home/possessions/etc. you would be used to smoking outside anyway. I live in Cleveland, too. The weather here is just as brutal as pretty much anywhere else in the USA and I never had a problem stepping onto my front porch to smoke.

And don't get me started on people with kids that smoke with them in the house. People like that deserve to be put to sleep. It's a lot more commonplace than you would think, too, and it makes me sick. My mother did it when I was a child and I still despise her for it to this day. Lazy ****ing bitch. No wonder I took up smoking at such a young age, but then again, nobody held a gun to my head. I started on my own terms and 13 years later I quit on my own terms.

I was never a huge fan of DC when he used to post here, but I will never forget what his signature used to say because it is so true:

"You only get one body. Think about how you treat it"

I am paraphrasing there, as I don't remember it verbatim, but you get the point.

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Live from New York..its Satur....

No forreals, I may not be the best at explaining myself but I likes a good debate. Cant say I didn't get a lil heated but I still got love for yall. I really do wave the white flag...this time.

Matter of fact, I'm going out for a smoke.

[shugknight]

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No forreals, I may not be the best at explaining myself but I likes a good debate. Cant say I didn't get a lil heated but I still got love for yall. I really do wave the white flag...this time.

Matter of fact, I'm going out for a smoke.

Respect. I apologize if I seemed a little harsh, but some of the comments I've read on here make it seem like you guys were being put to purgatory for being smokers.

That is not the case. We simply ask that you respect human beings, by doing your habits outdoors, where it can be ventilated properly.

Yes it may suck because it's cold or rainy outside, but this is your choice to smoke. Addict or not, if you really need it, do it. If you can't do it, then you really don't need to.

I respect you and other that are trying to or have quit. I quit myself when I was younger. Its hard, but it can be done. Will power is stronger than any additive that any manufacture can produce.

[AUChase]

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Yeah smoking can be stopped, you just got to summon the willpower.

My mom smoked from 13-19 and quit from there on because of my sister and me. Then she picked it back up in her early 30s and smoked from then until she was 40 and her and my step dad decided to put them down and never pick them up again and they have stuck by it.

They smoked in the house for a bit, but then quit after the kitchen, living room, and den remodel. What's weird is none of our clothes ever smelled like smoke, but you could tell when they painted the walls.

I've just been trying to play devil's advocate in this whole debate. I don't smoke and I agree with a lot of the stuff you guys have been saying, I just didn't like the way some of the messages were being conveyed, but that's my problem to have.. no one was doing any wrong.

[C the Lyte]

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People who smoke right beside the entrance of a store. Wal-Mart is the biggest culprit for this.

Quoted from the "Grinds My Gear" Thread.

So they smoke outside and it's still not good enough for you people!!!

[Brandwin]

Quoted from the "Grinds My Gear" Thread.

So they smoke outside and it's still not good enough for you people!!!

At least a trillion yards from any entrance to any building.

[Brandwin]

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Oh, what about the *******s who smoke at the Zoo. Signs everywhere, but they decide to anyway? Had someone do that the last time I went.

Or the jerks who go to Little League games. It says no smoking so they step on to the street right by the bleachers and fire one up. Yes, your smoke will not blow my way.

[Brandwin]

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Both my mother and father smoked and smoked like crazy. I bet my mother smoked when she was pregnant with me. I never asked, but I am willing to bet on it. Not only that, but I was in a house where my mom smoked or when I went to vist my father, he would smoke, also in the cars etc... thanks a lot you two.

I also get so pissed when I see a car and you got people inside smoking with little children in there. I just don't get it. You can't wait until you get where you are going so you can smoke away from them?

I just feel those who do it around others have no respect for the people around them. I don't care if we are outside and it's legal... don't come around my kids at the park and start smoking.


Sorry for the triple post.

[Fresh Tendrils]

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Damn, Scottdau's ghost is in the house with that triplet.

[C the Lyte]

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When I did smoke, I never smoked around kids, indoors or out. In fact, I went out of my way to get away from them. And I hate seeing that now. NC actually has another law saying it is illegal to smoke in a vehicle with children present. It's not strictly enforced but still on the books.

Adults were a different story. I mean, I wasn't a complete and total ******* about and sit down beside someone who wasn't smoking and fire one up. But if I had already established a spot and was smoking prior to someone walking with in my vicinity, deal with it.

[shugknight]

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I never understand when people in cars smoke with the windows closed. Really? WTF? That is just disgusting. This isn't weed and you're hotboxing a car. It's nasty crap that would turn your ceilings yellow.

What's more sad is that little old lady who can't walk or see straight and has an oxygen tank next to her wheelchair.. and she lights one up outside.

Really? SMDH.

[Brandwin]

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One more thing - I find it interesting to see those who grew up in a household where the parents smoked and they picked it up, but then you have people like myself who grew up with both parents smoking and I never had any interest at all to try it. I've never came close to putting a cigarette to my mouth, never was even curious. I hate the smell and I think it looks stupid. I guess I can thank my parents for that.

[SuperBowlNachos]

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I also get so pissed when I see a car and you got people inside smoking with little children in there. I just don't get it. You can't wait until you get where you are going so you can smoke away from them?

Of all things that should be illegal that is probably top 2.