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  • Majingir
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    • Apr 2005
    • 47691

    #2041
    Re: CDC Officials Warn of Coronavirus Outbreaks in the United States.

    Some people are starting to crack.

    Someone just started setting off fireworks outside.

    Being in a park, after dark, while setting off fireworks on a non major holiday.

    It's like they're begging to get in trouble.

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    • roadman
      *ll St*r
      • Aug 2003
      • 26339

      #2042
      Re: CDC Officials Warn of Coronavirus Outbreaks in the United States.

      Originally posted by Majingir
      Some people are starting to crack.

      Someone just started setting off fireworks outside.

      Being in a park, after dark, while setting off fireworks on a non major holiday.

      It's like they're begging to get in trouble.
      My wife and I have been "cracking" open more wine bottles on the weekend, more than we do in a whole month. lol

      Boredom drinking and these darn Zoom Happy Hours.
      Last edited by roadman; 04-29-2020, 08:38 PM.

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      • cima
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        • Sep 2004
        • 13478

        #2043
        Re: CDC Officials Warn of Coronavirus Outbreaks in the United States.

        So our governor made some really weird choices. He extended the stay-at-home order until May 15th with modifications. Non-essential retail spaces can voluntarily open on May 4th and sell their goods in a limited capacity (curbside, delivery, appointment pickup inside the store with limited occupancy) but then just FOUR days later on May 8th those same stores can start selling their goods inside their stores (with physical distancing protocols) But service-based businesses (like mine) have to remain closed and on the sidelines until at least May 15th.

        I don't get how he came to the conclusion that non-essential retail can open with certain protocols but services can't.

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        • bhurst99
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          • Aug 2003
          • 9137

          #2044
          Re: CDC Officials Warn of Coronavirus Outbreaks in the United States.

          I was wondering when the threat of lawsuits was going to become an issue as business decide to re-open, even if health officials don't recommend it. There's a lobbying effort to shield companies from being sued for COVID-19 related mishaps.

          I'm pretty opposed to a liability shield because I fear in the rush to re-open businesses aren't going to take the necessary precautions to protect customers and employees. I get that businesses need to re-open and that people could get sick through no fault of their own but they shouldn't be protected if there is gross negligence.

          I've read reports of airplanes recently that were full with not everyone wearing masks. That sounds ridiculous to me and in a situation like that if people get sick they have every right to sue in my opinion.

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          • kehlis
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            • Jul 2008
            • 27738

            #2045
            Re: CDC Officials Warn of Coronavirus Outbreaks in the United States.

            The last thing we’re going to need to see the economy recover is a all go green light to sue whenever.

            Even if there is no basis in the lawsuit it is still an incredible financial burden.

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            • pietasterp
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              • Feb 2004
              • 6247

              #2046
              Re: CDC Officials Warn of Coronavirus Outbreaks in the United States.

              Originally posted by cima
              So our governor made some really weird choices. He extended the stay-at-home order until May 15th with modifications. Non-essential retail spaces can voluntarily open on May 4th and sell their goods in a limited capacity (curbside, delivery, appointment pickup inside the store with limited occupancy) but then just FOUR days later on May 8th those same stores can start selling their goods inside their stores (with physical distancing protocols) But service-based businesses (like mine) have to remain closed and on the sidelines until at least May 15th.

              I don't get how he came to the conclusion that non-essential retail can open with certain protocols but services can't.
              It's almost like they're making it up as they go along.....

              Originally posted by bhurst99
              I was wondering when the threat of lawsuits was going to become an issue as business decide to re-open, even if health officials don't recommend it. There's a lobbying effort to shield companies from being sued for COVID-19 related mishaps.

              I'm pretty opposed to a liability shield because I fear in the rush to re-open businesses aren't going to take the necessary precautions to protect customers and employees. I get that businesses need to re-open and that people could get sick through no fault of their own but they shouldn't be protected if there is gross negligence.

              I've read reports of airplanes recently that were full with not everyone wearing masks. That sounds ridiculous to me and in a situation like that if people get sick they have every right to sue in my opinion.

              https://thehill.com/business-a-lobby...ight-reopening
              I disagree, which is why I think some sort of liability protection is a reasonable idea. What sounds ridiculous to you sounds to me like no greater than the average risk that people take in their everyday lives (or, for example, during flu season). I'm not saying either of us is "wrong" or "right", but the point is that if reasonable people can disagree, it doesn't seem like an efficient use of time or the court system to clog it up with a million questionable or at least highly debatable coronavirus-related lawsuits. I suppose it'd be a great boon for 1 sector of the economy, however: tort attorneys.

              Originally posted by kehlis
              The last thing we’re going to need to see the economy recover is a all go green light to sue whenever.

              Even if there is no basis in the lawsuit it is still an incredible financial burden.
              Agree 100%.

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              • KSUowls
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                • Jul 2009
                • 5894

                #2047
                Re: CDC Officials Warn of Coronavirus Outbreaks in the United States.

                The liability thing is tricky. It isnt as simple as bob in accounting had the flu, touched something tland then you got sick. It is a stretch to say the company is responsible for that.

                If during an unprecedented pandemic, a company ignores cdc guidelines and then you end up getting sick...well That borders on negligence in my mind, but it still isnt that black and white. Is it fair to give "non essential" employees an avenue towards civil lawsuits while "essential" workers have both greater exposure and can't hold their employer liable?

                Hopefully we just continue to see companies keep their employee health in mind and if they can let them, to work from home

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                • pietasterp
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                  • Feb 2004
                  • 6247

                  #2048
                  Re: CDC Officials Warn of Coronavirus Outbreaks in the United States.

                  Originally posted by KSUowls
                  The liability thing is tricky. It isnt as simple as bob in accounting had the flu, touched something tland then you got sick. It is a stretch to say the company is responsible for that.

                  If during an unprecedented pandemic, a company ignores cdc guidelines and then you end up getting sick...well That borders on negligence in my mind, but it still isnt that black and white. Is it fair to give "non essential" employees an avenue towards civil lawsuits while "essential" workers have both greater exposure and can't hold their employer liable?

                  Hopefully we just continue to see companies keep their employee health in mind and if they can let them, to work from home

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                  I understand the point you are making, but even in a hypothetical situation where a company flagrantly disregarded whatever the local mandates were and an employee ended up getting sick, it's exceptionally difficult - bordering on impossible - to prove that the person got sick while on the job or at the workplace. So every single case will boil down to basically guesswork and the opinion of 12 yahoos who ended up in a jury box, and the whole thing will be a feeding frenzy for the tort lawyers to add ever-increasing inefficiencies to an already bogged-down court system. Not to mention, adding cost to every single activity, product, or service we engage in on a daily basis....or, used to, anyway, before all the lockdowns...

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                  • KSUowls
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                    • Jul 2009
                    • 5894

                    #2049
                    Re: CDC Officials Warn of Coronavirus Outbreaks in the United States.

                    All of that is absolutely true. We dont want to bog down the system with frivelous suits, or do more to damage the economy. We dont want to reward reckless behavior that endangers people either though. It is not a si.ple problem.

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                    • bhurst99
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                      • Aug 2003
                      • 9137

                      #2050
                      Re: CDC Officials Warn of Coronavirus Outbreaks in the United States.

                      Originally posted by KSUowls
                      All of that is absolutely true. We dont want to bog down the system with frivelous suits, or do more to damage the economy. We dont want to reward reckless behavior that endangers people either though. It is not a si.ple problem.
                      Yeah, I'm not talking about frivolous suits such as where an employer took reasonable precautions and an employee still got sick. I'm talking about cases where employees warned employers about unsafe conditions, the employer ignored the complaints and employees got seriously ill. If they're left with enormous medical bills, I don't think they should be statutory barred from bringing lawsuits. I don't think employers should be shielded in that case.

                      In terms of scientific proof, I recall those studies in Iceland where they were able to pinpoint the different types of strands of COVID-19 a person had and where they came from such as Italy or England. If all the employees come down with the same strain of COVID-19 with the same genetic sequence, I think that alleviates the concern where a person got it will be guesswork.
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                      • kehlis
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                        • Jul 2008
                        • 27738

                        #2051
                        Re: CDC Officials Warn of Coronavirus Outbreaks in the United States.

                        Originally posted by bhurst99
                        Yeah, I'm not talking about frivolous suits such as where an employer took reasonable precautions and an employee still got sick. I'm talking about cases where employees warned employers about unsafe conditions, the employer ignored the complaints and employees got seriously ill. If they're left with enormous medical bills, I don't think they should be statutory barred from bringing lawsuits. I don't think employers should be shielded in that case.

                        In terms of scientific proof, I recall those studies in Iceland where they were able to pinpoint the different types of strands of COVID-19 a person had and where they came from such as Italy or England. If all the employees come down with the same strain of COVID-19 with the same genetic sequence, I think that alleviates the concern where a person got it will be guesswork.
                        Here's the problem with that though. Without a waiver of some sort, there WILL be frivolous lawsuits. I know those aren't what you're talking about but they will happen. If lawyer is able to, he'll pursuit anything a client wants him/her to. It's been this way forever.

                        So you'll have frivolous suits that will result in business that weren't in the wrong having to spend money to either settle or see the suit through.

                        Then they can counter sue but there is little guarantee that they will ever see anything out of that other than what they are paying their lawyer to defend them.

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                        • WaitTilNextYear
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                          • Mar 2013
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                          #2052
                          Re: CDC Officials Warn of Coronavirus Outbreaks in the United States.

                          Love to see folks storming their statehouses without masks and with assault rifles. Way to go, guys. You all clearly have things figured out.
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                          • SmashMan
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                            • Dec 2004
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                            #2053
                            Re: CDC Officials Warn of Coronavirus Outbreaks in the United States.

                            Originally posted by WaitTilNextYear
                            Love to see folks storming their statehouses without masks and with assault rifles. Way to go, guys. You all clearly have things figured out.
                            They let themselves get too addicted to outrage, and here we are.

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                            • dickey1331
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                              • Sep 2009
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                              #2054
                              Re: CDC Officials Warn of Coronavirus Outbreaks in the United States.

                              Originally posted by WaitTilNextYear
                              Love to see folks storming their statehouses without masks and with assault rifles. Way to go, guys. You all clearly have things figured out.


                              It’s the same as people protesting for people to stay at home while they aren’t at home themselves.


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                              • Fresh Tendrils
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                                • Jul 2002
                                • 36131

                                #2055
                                Re: CDC Officials Warn of Coronavirus Outbreaks in the United States.

                                There are people protesting to support the stay at home orders?



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