CDC Officials Warn of Coronavirus Outbreaks in the United States.

[NYJets]

Re: CDC Officials Warn of Coronavirus Outbreaks in the United States.

Too many of them want to live in a lab where everything is controlled and isolated. They want to test everything with a double blind study. That's great before or after the fact, but during the crisis you need to focus on what is working whether you know why or not. You can figure out the why later. HCQ works on some people, but yet they say it doesn't because they don't know why. There are other drugs that also work.



Then they turn around and fast track a vaccine that has shown the same mixed results, but it's new, patented, and not going to be available for cheap. Then plenty of higher ups have relations between the drug company.

Just because some people who were given hcq got better doesn’t mean that it is the reason they got better. The reasons many have cautioned against it have nothing to do with not understandinf why it works.

As far as vaccines I’m not sure which one you’re referring to but it sounds like they are fast tracking lots of them as far as planning distribution in the event they are proven safe and effective. That doesn’t mean they are going to start injecting people beyond testing purpose without proving they work and are safe


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[SmashMan]

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That's great before or after the fact, but during the crisis you need to focus on what is working whether you know why or not. You can figure out the why later.

I mean...if you were a doctor, why would you not want to know the 'why' before prescribing it?

HCQ works for some people, which is great. It doesn't for others, which isn't. Knowing the why is a pretty critical difference there.

[JayhawkerStL]

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I'm gonna be one of those sipping my drink watching from afar to see how the human test dummy wannabies fare with all this...

This is me

What I worry about is Nay 17, when St. Louis lies planning to lift its order. That means my wife may be going back to work. So even though I’m home, she will me increasing the odds I get it.

I have about 30% lung capacity. I have to avoid it. It freaks my wife out, too. Like, I might have to consider moving alone. I doubt I could do that.

She may be able to a lot from home still, but the relaxing of orders means that a lot of what she can do remotely won’t be available anymore.

My prediction is that by May 18 there will no longer be a reopening. So we will just bunker down until then and see what happens.

[p_rushing]

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Just because some people who were given hcq got better doesn’t mean that it is the reason they got better. The reasons many have cautioned against it have nothing to do with not understandinf why it works.

As far as vaccines I’m not sure which one you’re referring to but it sounds like they are fast tracking lots of them as far as planning distribution in the event they are proven safe and effective. That doesn’t mean they are going to start injecting people beyond testing purpose without proving they work and are safe


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I mean...if you were a doctor, why would you not want to know the 'why' before prescribing it?

HCQ works for some people, which is great. It doesn't for others, which isn't. Knowing the why is a pretty critical difference there.

I agree with that but you don't have time to find out why when people are dying. You have to try and treat people while trying to find out why it is working. Generally that should be left up to these groups who could easily aggregate the treatment and patient info to find out what is happening.

Doctors know what is working in the field regardless of what the people at the top say. During the crisis, you have to listen to them as apposed to people who are looking for studies that take months or years to do.

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[dubcity]

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Interesting knowledge regarding "herd immunity"



Julia Heck, PhD

@AnEpidemiolgst



This is dangerously inaccurate. There is no such thing as "partial herd immunity" with 20% immune. Herd immunity will not happen until we are somewhere above 70%.



That will take awhile for Sweden and much longer for the US, I presume.

Technically true, but having more people immune slows the spread. If I haven't had the virus, and 20 out of 100 people I come into contact with lack the ability to spread it to me, I'm less at risk then I'd be if 10 out of 100 had it. Or 0. Whatever term people want to use for that is fine, but it's still a thing.

[jb12780]

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Got tested for antibodies the other day, and the results came back positive.

They drew one vile of blood from a vein in my right arm.


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[AUChase]

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I think it's safe to say, this highlights that these so called health officials/organizations are not much different than a meteorologist.

Making guesses based on forecast data.

Some of it is guess work as a meteorologist, but often times it comes from a very informed place so I would say that this is also a good example of why people should consider taking medical expert opinion into consideration when deciding what to do for themselves.

Meteorologists also paint timelines, possible outcomes based on data, etc and that often results in lives saved. It's typically not the other way around and they are getting people killed.

In 1939 you may would get blown away by a tornado because you had no clue that the weather was going to be bad at 2am while you're sleeping. There was no warning system or modern radar. Now you at least had an idea it's possible in 2020 because someone provides you a map with probability a week in advance and tells you "guess what.. you're in an area with an enhanced risk & an area that will have storms capable of producing a tornado."

I planted a garden last weekend. A meteorologist told me that there's a possibility of rare May overnight frost so I should prepare. I haven't lost much if I buy a few buckets to cover my plants, but if I don't even act at all my crops may die. Get where I'm going with it?

It's not Jim Bob from down the street reading an excel spreadsheet and telling you what's going to happen. It's people who have studied and trained in the field giving their opinion. Sometimes it's good and sometimes it's bad, but I think it's worth a look most of the time. Sometimes it's also a worst case scenario and doomsday projections, but that's what some people need to hear just to take things the least bit serious.

I know this isn't a meteorology thread, but since the example was used if your weather radio goes off do you just snooze it and go to sleep or do you turn on the local news and your favorite meteorologist to find out what is going on? When **** hits the fan and we are faced with a global pandemic we should consider turning to the people who study the field.

I don't trust all the information I read and I'm not naive enough to think doctors don't make mistakes, but I'm also not discrediting everything automatically as guesswork. That's some anti-intellectualism stuff.

[KG]

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Technically true, but having more people immune slows the spread. If I haven't had the virus, and 20 out of 100 people I come into contact with lack the ability to spread it to me, I'm less at risk then I'd be if 10 out of 100 had it. Or 0. Whatever term people want to use for that is fine, but it's still a thing.

Agreed dub which is why contact tracing from the start should have been closely monitored BUT we all know this thing was here before the public found out. The gov’t knew well before according to some of these health officials called to testify.

Glad you’re feel better jb. My sister (Dr in NY) had it and recovered. Her antibody test came back positive too.


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[NYJets]

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Got tested for antibodies the other day, and the results came back positive.

They drew one vile of blood from a vein in my right arm.


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Did/do you have symptoms?


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[PeoplesChampGB]

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I know this isn't a meteorology thread, but since the example was used if your weather radio goes off do you just snooze it and go to sleep or do you turn on the local news and your favorite meteorologist to find out what is going on? When **** hits the fan and we are faced with a global pandemic we should consider turning to the people who study the field.

TBH, I look outside and judge for myself what I should do.

[jb12780]

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Did/do you have symptoms?


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Yeah a little after St. Patrick’s day. General malaise, couldn’t taste or smell anything for a little over week. Was out of work for about a week and a half.

Been back full duty for about a month now.


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[roadman]

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And this is why I'm waiting until the dust settles a bit.

Mark Cuban paid some secret shoppers a fee to go into Dallas businesses that opened early and didn't name any of the businesses.

https://blogmaverick.com/2020/05/07/i-hired-a-team-of-secret-shoppers-to-find-out-how-businesses-were-opening-in-dallas-its-not-good/

Overall – 96% of businesses were non-compliant across all mandatory protocols and all locations. The extent of non-compliance is dramatic with ~1/3 of all locations being <50% compliant across mandatory protocols as established by the Governor’s office.

[AUChase]

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TBH, I look outside and judge for myself what I should do.

I think if you live in Kansas, Oklahoma, etc. that's fine, but here it wouldn't be a great idea. I just thought meteorology was an interesting comparison because it works both ways and wanted to show that with some examples.

There will always be people who trust their own judgement on everything.

[Scott]

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And this is why I'm waiting until the dust settles a bit.

Mark Cuban paid some secret shoppers a fee to go into Dallas businesses that opened early and didn't name any of the businesses.

https://blogmaverick.com/2020/05/07/i-hired-a-team-of-secret-shoppers-to-find-out-how-businesses-were-opening-in-dallas-its-not-good/

Overall – 96% of businesses were non-compliant across all mandatory protocols and all locations. The extent of non-compliance is dramatic with ~1/3 of all locations being <50% compliant across mandatory protocols as established by the Governor’s office.

Not surprising.


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[BurghFan]

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So Pennsylvania is doing a staged reopening by region. Right now the entire state is in the red phase (evverything but essential stuff closed) but the north-west and north-central counties are supposed to move to yellow (limited reopening) tomorrow. There've already been reports of businessses jumping the gun and now counties in SW PA (who likely will be in the next group to move ot yellow) are suing to reopen. Stuff is just crazy.