The Sack Race aka Official Management Carousel Thread

[Suntan Superman]

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I don't think Moyes is that bad of a manager, clearly wasn't given enough time at United, Sunderland are a **** club and were going down eventually regardless of manager, and I'm willing to write Sociedad off as an anomaly. What he does with West Ham though will be the real test. A middling club should be exactly where he feels comfortable.


I wonder how much longer Pulis lasts at West Brom.

[Brahvocado]

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I don't think Moyes is that bad of a manager, clearly wasn't given enough time at United, Sunderland are a **** club and were going down eventually regardless of manager, and I'm willing to write Sociedad off as an anomaly. What he does with West Ham though will be the real test. A middling club should be exactly where he feels comfortable.


I wonder how much longer Pulis lasts at West Brom.

The question is, what is Moyes going to do that is different to Bilic? Here is the thing, Bilic is actually a pretty great man-motivator. When you watch the team play even this weekend, the players still seemed to be fighting for him, it's just that the tactics and everything else was so bad I think they weren't exactly sure what they were supposed to be doing.

Moyes on the other hand, at least currently, has grown incredibly negative and I definitely wouldn't list "motivator" as one of his strengths.

It just always bugs me when clubs would rather simply survive in the Prem than actually take a risk and bring their club forward.

[Suntan Superman]

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It just always bugs me when clubs would rather simply survive in the Prem than actually take a risk and bring their club forward.

I agree that this bothers me as well, but with the monetary difference in the Prem and the Championship, it makes sense.

[ImTellinTim]

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The question is, what is Moyes going to do that is different to Bilic? Here is the thing, Bilic is actually a pretty great man-motivator. When you watch the team play even this weekend, the players still seemed to be fighting for him, it's just that the tactics and everything else was so bad I think they weren't exactly sure what they were supposed to be doing.

Moyes on the other hand, at least currently, has grown incredibly negative and I definitely wouldn't list "motivator" as one of his strengths.

It just always bugs me when clubs would rather simply survive in the Prem than actually take a risk and bring their club forward.

As a former defender, this team should have never been that bad defensively - especially at home. For a supposed man-motivator, I've seen this West Ham team quit a whole lot. Maybe it's just a **** group of players, and to be fair, they've been dealing with injuries in defense lately. But they've been an unmitigated tire fire for over a year now. You can't have that.

Here's a Hammers fan from reddit putting it perfectly IMO:

"There are countless arguments that you can make against Bilic but one of the most damaging is this: presumably at some point over the summer he sat down, identified the problems we had last season, identified a way of fixing those problems, identified a way he wanted to play, and then the club went about trying to sign the players he wanted to implement that style of play.

We’re now almost a third of the way into the season and I don’t think that any of us who go to games every week could tell you, even in theory, what Bilic is trying to achieve with his team selections or what the underlying idea behind his football is. Fair enough if this was a new manager who was trying to get his approach across to a new set of players. Fair enough if there was an obvious strategy that the players were attempting but failing to execute properly… but that’s not the case here.

Slav has been in charge for nearly two and a half seasons and we’ve been completely incoherent in every single game we’ve played since the match against Spurs at the tail end of last season. It’s not even as if there’s been a major overhaul of the squad recently, either; we signed four senior players and only sold off fringe players in the last window. This is broadly the same group of players that he’s worked with for the majority of his tenure, so he should be more than capable of communicating with this group by now.

There’s much to admire about Bilic. He’s a thoughtful, dignified, articulate bloke and he’s dealt with an enormous amount of **** from Gold & Sullivan, but his sides have been inept and devoid of structure or tactical competence for the last 18 months and we’ve been poor under him for longer than we were good."

[Brahvocado]

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I agree that this bothers me as well, but with the monetary difference in the Prem and the Championship, it makes sense.

I disagree that it makes sense. With the right plan, you can do way more than just survive.

There are plenty of teams that can drop down and then come right back up again. Even then, it's only a risk, not like it's a guaranteed relegation to try a different kind of manager and attempt to change your status. A team like Palace even has the London draw going for them, they could legitimately achieve something if they actually tried to do anything other than just avoid relegation every season.

[Brahvocado]

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Btw I am not against sacking Bilic, he needed to go. I am against replacing him with Moyes, instead of looking for a different kind of alternative.

Take my previous post and replace "Palace" with West Ham, same point. They are a club in London, big stadium and plenty of money, theoretically more money and a "bigger" club than the likes of Palace and actually a lot of other teams in the Prem.

Take a chance and do something.

[ImTellinTim]

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I agree with that, and this is only a 6-month contract. So maybe they'll start a more detailed search now while they hope Moyes turns it around enough short-term for a mid-table finish.

Though if I know anything about these teams, it's that they'll just sign him long-term if that happens, lol

[Krebstar]

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Whenever there's a weird outcry in the English/British media that no young British managers are given a chance, it's the revolving door of mediocre British managers who should be looked at—not the foreign managers.

Alan Pardew is going to pop up again in the Premier League in the near future, will give a team a boost for a season, get sacked, and do it all over again while people complain about young British managers not getting a go.

Nobody makes these complaints here, and I know it annoys all of you as well.

Edit: Oh yeah, Big Sam will also save a team from relegation and have them turn stagnant the next year. He'll be replaced and Mark Hughes will take the job, or something close to that.

[Suntan Superman]

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Whenever there's a weird outcry in the English/British media that no young British managers are given a chance, it's the revolving door of mediocre British managers who should be looked at—not the foreign managers.

Alan Pardew is going to pop up again in the Premier League in the near future, will give a team a boost for a season, get sacked, and do it all over again while people complain about young British managers not getting a go.

Nobody makes these complaints here, and I know it annoys all of you as well.

Edit: Oh yeah, Big Sam will also save a team from relegation and have them turn stagnant the next year. He'll be replaced and Mark Hughes will take the job, or something close to that.

BUT WILL RYAN GIGGS GET A JOB?!

[ImTellinTim]

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I just read a report that West Ham did try to get Ancelotti. You gotta shoot your shot.

[Brahvocado]

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I just read a report that West Ham did try to get Ancelotti. You gotta shoot your shot.

Knowing West Ham's owners, I wouldn't be surprised if that is actually completely fabricated and they never asked him.

We all know exactly what they are trying to do by publicly saying that. "Well we tried to get somebody special and different, but it didn't work out so we will play it safe for now and then try again next summer".

Because obviously their only two options are Carlo and Moyes.

[jesmith29]

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“West Ham plan to sack besieged coach Slaven Bilic in the next few days and are lining up David Moyes to replace him, a source close to the club told ESPN FC.”

Apparently the ESPN FC source was spot on.

[Brahvocado]

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Apparently the ESPN FC source was spot on.

First time for everything

[bhurst99]

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I'm simply in shock that West Ham turned to Moyes. I can't imagine how West Ham's supporters feel.

[ImTellinTim]

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Speaking of shooting your shot, Everton are apparently after Diego Simeone.

Spoiler