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  • KG
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    • Sep 2005
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    #616
    Re: 2018-19 UEFA Competitions Thread

    Originally posted by Suntan Superman
    we're now arguing on two different axes, this is what I meant by the discussion never going anywhere and being pointless.


    How so? You said spending $ doesn’t buy success when it’s literally the opposite domestically (Leicester & Monaco aside) and in the UCL


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    • Suntan Superman
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      • Feb 2009
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      #617
      Re: 2018-19 UEFA Competitions Thread

      Originally posted by KG
      How so? You said spending $ doesn’t buy success when it’s literally the opposite domestically (Leicester & Monaco aside) and in the UCL
      My entire statement was about being less risk-averse, which all of the teams you listed have the luxury of doing because of large sums of money that are continuous. My entire point of why we would have to normalize for money is that when a team can afford to be less risk averse and sign Danny Drinkwater for 40m and have it not matter that he only plays 12 games over two years.

      To summarize, my root point is that if we're going to compare leagues, we need to normalize how we view a team vs how much money they spend/take in because other leagues/teams don't have the luxury of being as risk-averse with signings as the Premier League does. It doesn't guarantee success for every club, but it mitigates failure when they can just go back to the reserve. The bolded part you responded to was in response to the Brahv post where he was outlining PL teams spending cash, which is where that statement was borne, it was never even close to the crux of my argument.
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      • Brahvocado
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        • Oct 2012
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        #618
        Re: 2018-19 UEFA Competitions Thread

        Originally posted by KG
        How so? You said spending $ doesn’t buy success when it’s literally the opposite domestically (Leicester & Monaco aside) and in the UCL


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        Tbf that list you posted has Liverpool at 7th, over a nearly 10 year period, with a League Cup to show for it. Even if they win the Prem this year, that's a pretty bad return. If they win it this season, that's just 2 in a 10 year period where they were bouncing between 4th-2nd highest spenders in the league.

        Anyway, I was purely talking about in Europe. Prem teams have been spending gobs of cash for a while and still get regularly knocked out of the CL and EL by teams spending a fraction of that.

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        • KG
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          • Sep 2005
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          #619
          Re: 2018-19 UEFA Competitions Thread

          Originally posted by Suntan Superman
          My entire statement was about being less risk-averse, which all of the teams you listed have the luxury of doing because of large sums of money that are continuous. My entire point of why we would have to normalize for money is that when a team can afford to be less risk averse and sign Danny Drinkwater for 40m and have it not matter that he only plays 12 games over two years.

          To summarize, my root point is that if we're going to compare leagues, we need to normalize how we view a team vs how much money they spend/take in because other leagues/teams don't have the luxury of being as risk-averse with signings as the Premier League does. It doesn't guarantee success for every club, but it mitigates failure when they can just go back to the reserve. The bolded part you responded to was in response to the Brahv post where he was outlining PL teams spending cash, which is where that statement was borne, it was never even close to the crux of my argument.
          As other leagues start to renegotiate their TV deals it will be interesting to see how that translates into transfer spending and success across the continent. UEFA puts out a good report (The European Footballing Club Landscape) on yearly basis that details their finances (above the board/reported) with fairly good data (haven't combed through all of the sources yet). Serie A, despite its dilapidated stadiums and one-horse race jumped into 2nd place in terms of TV revenue after their new overseas deal with IMG/RAI/etc... and I'm curious to see how it translates into success on the pitch, specifically the two Milans. Long story short, the English clubs are currently operating at an advantage monetarily and it took some growing pains but it's starting to swing the tide towards them. Should they be the best league in the world (top to bottom) with all their riches...absolutely. Will it translate into success into the UCL? I think we'll see so in the next few years but that's more my opinion than fact at this point.

          Originally posted by Brahvocado
          Tbf that list you posted has Liverpool at 7th, over a nearly 10 year period, with a League Cup to show for it. Even if they win the Prem this year, that's a pretty bad return. If they win it this season, that's just 2 in a 10 year period where they were bouncing between 4th-2nd highest spenders in the league.

          Anyway, I was purely talking about in Europe. Prem teams have been spending gobs of cash for a while and still get regularly knocked out of the CL and EL by teams spending a fraction of that.
          Re: Livperpool, yeah that's why I said "yet" but let's both hope it stays at 1 League Cup over the next 10!

          Regarding the 2nd point, yeah but I think the influx of Prem cash which has attracted better managers from across the globe will help with this. Pep, Klopp, poor Jose, Emery, Sarri, Poch, etc... should help reverse this trend too, especially with the depth these squads are now capable of having. Now how long Pep will stay at City will be interesting but their board matching Pep's ambition with signings isn't a good thing for any of us except JJLinn.

          Definitely can't erase the past but other clubs are starting to catch up to Barca/Real in terms of spending power/wage capabilities. The lure of Barca/Real will always be there though.
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          • jb12780
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            • Oct 2008
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            #620
            Re: 2018-19 UEFA Competitions Thread

            Hats off to BR I payed for the 2nd half of the Arsenal game. They only charged me once this time and they have chromecast capabilities now. Quality was outstanding.


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            • ImTellinTim
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              • Sep 2006
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              #621
              Re: 2018-19 UEFA Competitions Thread

              They draw the semifinals ahead of time now. Potential semifinals of Juve/Ajax vs. Spurs/City and Liverpool/Porto vs Utd/Barca


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              • KG
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                • Sep 2005
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                #622
                Re: 2018-19 UEFA Competitions Thread

                Originally posted by jb12780
                Hats off to BR I payed for the 2nd half of the Arsenal game. They only charged me once this time and they have chromecast capabilities now. Quality was outstanding.


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                You can buy them ala carte right?


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                • BunnyHardaway
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                  • Nov 2004
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                  #623
                  Re: 2018-19 UEFA Competitions Thread

                  Didn’t draw Barca and Liverpool is on the other side of the bracket. Best case scenario for ya boys.

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                  • ProfessaPackMan
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                    • Mar 2008
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                    #624
                    Re: 2018-19 UEFA Competitions Thread

                    Am I crazy for thinking ManU can actually beat Barca?
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                    • KG
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                      #625
                      Re: 2018-19 UEFA Competitions Thread

                      Originally posted by ProfessaPackMan
                      Am I crazy for thinking ManU can actually beat Barca?


                      Naaa but you guys are going to need some of your defenders and middies and to be healthy.

                      You have the pieces to sit back on the counter and hit Barca on the break. Dembele just got hurt too and should miss ~ a month. He’s been really good for them and Ashley Young should breathe a huge sigh of relief.

                      I’d imagine Herrera will kick Messi to death though.


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                      • jb12780
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                        • Oct 2008
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                        #626
                        Re: 2018-19 UEFA Competitions Thread

                        Originally posted by KG
                        You can buy them ala carte right?


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                        That is correct that’s what I did yesterday. 2.99 plus tax.


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                        • KG
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                          #627
                          Re: 2018-19 UEFA Competitions Thread

                          Originally posted by jb12780
                          That is correct that’s what I did yesterday. 2.99 plus tax.


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                          Nice...can you watch replays on it too?


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                          • jb12780
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                            #628
                            Re: 2018-19 UEFA Competitions Thread

                            Originally posted by KG
                            Nice...can you watch replays on it too?


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                            Yes, but I’m not sure of the timeframe that they expire.

                            I was able to pull up the Arsenal match from yesterday without an issue just now.


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                            • ImTellinTim
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                              • Sep 2006
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                              #629
                              Re: 2018-19 UEFA Competitions Thread

                              A Liverpool-Spurs final would cause maximum annoyance around here, so let's make it happen.

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                              • Suntan Superman
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                                • Feb 2009
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                                #630
                                Re: 2018-19 UEFA Competitions Thread

                                Originally posted by ImTellinTim
                                A Liverpool-Spurs final would cause maximum annoyance around here, so let's make it happen.
                                Only because the Liverpool support would try and paint it like they don't have a chance
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