2019-20 UEFA Competitions Thread

[Brahvocado]

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I do wonder if they would have overturned an earlier one that didn't have the players and staff rushing down the field.

It's really tough on the keeper if the player does a late hesitation. I think if you're expecting the keeper to keep one foot on the line, the taker should have to maintain a consistent run up.

I also don't think it should be automatic. I thought the way it was called at the Women's World Cup was too nit-picky. If the keeper gains an obvious advantage, sure call it.

I see what you're saying but that gives refs way too much wiggle room to make a bad call. The handball rule is changing slowly because there is far too much interpretation. Imo it's better to be nit-picky and have clear and concise rules.

[Krebstar]

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A penalty in the West Ham v City game was retaken for the keeper coming off the line and encroachment. It was great to see it being enforced.

[ImTellinTim]

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I wouldn't have been mad if they cleared the field and had Tammy retake it. But at least the reason it was saved wasn't because Adrian was off the line by a foot. It was just an awful penalty.

[ImTellinTim]

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FWIW, Dale Johnson from ESPNFC claimed this today.

"Been informed that Roberto Rosetti, UEFA Chief Refereeing Officer, briefed before the Super Cup that goalkeepers will only be penalised by VAR for leaving line if it's a blatant and clear violation of new law."

Would've been nice to know. Wonder if even the players know what's going on with all the VAR rules...

[Brahvocado]

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That just makes it more confusing tbh lol.

If you are required to keep one foot on the line, wouldn’t taking your foot off the line be a clear and blatant violation?

[KG]

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I’m sure the players get briefed like the NFL does on rule changes but damn they make it hard to understand their own rules sometimes.



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[Krebstar]

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I hope encroachment is watched more closely than keepers coming off their line. I know a keeper coming off their line to a ridiculous degree can help stop a goal, but defenders encroaching and being in the perfect position to stop a rebound shot is, to me, a bigger issue.

And no, not because it happened in the Spurs v Arsenal match last year, although it was an incredible example of why it's an issue. It's easy to be a super defender clearing a ball from the box after a penalty when you're almost to the penalty taker before they kick the ball.

Yeah, not bitter about that at all...

[KG]

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I hope encroachment is watched more closely than keepers coming off their line. I know a keeper coming off their line to a ridiculous degree can help stop a goal, but defenders encroaching and being in the perfect position to stop a rebound shot is, to me, a bigger issue.

And no, not because it happened in the Spurs v Arsenal match last year, although it was an incredible example of why it's an issue. It's easy to be a super defender clearing a ball from the box after a penalty when you're almost to the penalty taker before they kick the ball.

Yeah, not bitter about that at all...

The frequency of that happening though Kreb is much less than a keeper coming off his line.

No salt here but along with the encroachment, they should really make them retake 'em when the penalty kicker stutters at the end. It's almost impossible for a keeper to stay on his/her line when they do that.

[Suntan Superman]

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All I ask for is consistency. As long as we're consistent, I won't find much reason to complain.

[Brahvocado]

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I don't really have a problem with the stutter tbh. It's a tactical part of penalties and would take away from that a bit if players weren't allowed to.

Just going to point this out again, because the subject of fairness is quite often brought up in regards to keepers in penalty situations: penalties are not supposed to be fair, especially to the keeper. It is a free shot on goal to restore an advantage that was UNFAIRLY taken from the attacking team. We shouldn't be THAT concerned with how fair penalties are towards keepers, because it doesn't matter. The keeper's team messed up and the penalty is a consequence of that action.

Wrongly awarded penalties are obviously a different issue, but the original intent of a penalty is to restore a lost advantage. This is why I've always hated the complaints about red cards + penalties and the player being "punished twice" being wrong and unfair. They aren't punished twice. The red card is for the foul, the penalty is because the player was about to have a shot on goal and the defending team illegally took that opportunity away. Two punishments for two separate infractions.

[Krebstar]

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I don't really have a problem with the stutter tbh. It's a tactical part of penalties and would take away from that a bit if players weren't allowed to.

Just going to point this out again, because the subject of fairness is quite often brought up in regards to keepers in penalty situations: penalties are not supposed to be fair, especially to the keeper. It is a free shot on goal to restore an advantage that was UNFAIRLY taken from the attacking team. We shouldn't be THAT concerned with how fair penalties are towards keepers, because it doesn't matter. The keeper's team messed up and the penalty is a consequence of that action.

Wrongly awarded penalties are obviously a different issue, but the original intent of a penalty is to restore a lost advantage. This is why I've always hated the complaints about red cards + penalties and the player being "punished twice" being wrong and unfair. They aren't punished twice. The red card is for the foul, the penalty is because the player was about to have a shot on goal and the defending team illegally took that opportunity away. Two punishments for two separate infractions.

My issue with that (slippery slope) is that we're no longer to the point of penalties mostly being given which denied a clear goal-scoring opportunity. Contact in the box is now a penalty as it's basically deemed a foul. There are so many penalties given that are insanely soft and were hardly at all a lost advantage.

A player feeling a toe on the calf and going down as him and an opponent both stretched for a ball is an entirely different discussion in regards to lost advantage compared to literally being brought down in the box by your opponent's momentum.

I'd argue that a penalty kick on its own before you even consider the runup is a massive advantage that is being given/restored because it should be put away easily by a professional. If players were better at taking penalties, there would be less concern for keepers coming off the line and encroachment.

Players trying to do too much or be too clever or just not practicing taking those kicks enough causes saves just as much as keepers coming out early. So, penalties are missed, and we know it should be easy so we start to look for reasons why and well it must be those damn keepers moving early and not players taking the easy opportunity they've been given to score.

I think telling a keeper they must stay on their line and telling the taker they must move forward and strike the ball resets whatever advantage was lost by the attacking team, as the penalty taker still has an incredibly massive advantage in the situation.

[KG]

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You know what's funny. I actually took a few penalties yesterday at Busch Gardens lol. Hit 2 out of 3. My wife took a video of it so I need to check to see if the keeper was off his line. Let me get the tape.

Of course she captures the one I missed smh

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[Krebstar]

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You know what's funny. I actually took a few penalties yesterday at Busch Gardens lol. Hit 2 out of 3. My wife took a video of it so I need to check to see if the keeper was off his line. Let me get the tape.

We all know the miss was your Panenka attempt.

[KG]

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We all know the miss was your Panenka attempt.

I was actually kicking myself that I didn’t try to do Jorginho’s run up


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[Brahvocado]

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Lmao your face when it hit the thing