2020-2021 English Football Thread

[Krebstar]

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It's official: Once Arteta wins the League Cup followed by the Europa League, he can triumphantly hold up three fingers.

[stlducks]

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Would not have bet against Liverpool in the shootout, actually kind of surprised Alisson didn't stop one of the Arsenal shots, which is how I thought they'd win it.

Saw a stat on Twitter that Alisson has not saved a penalty since arriving at Liverpool. Someone missed one once but he didn't save it. Stat was from a Liverpool reporter.

[Krebstar]

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Kinda surprised nobody is talking about Keita kicking some dude in the chest and not getting sent off for it

For those who did not see it: https://streamable.com/m3mouz

It's again the reason several correct decisions against Arsenal were so frustrating last season—there's zero consistency. In 19/20, Arsenal were first in cards received, but eighth in fouls. No team were given more cards per fouls than Arsenal (4.63). Good to see nothing has changed in terms of consistency.

Watford, who committed the most fouls, were given a card every 6.09 fouls. Everton, second most fouls, a card every 6.47 cards. Southampton, fourth most fouls, a card every 7.89 fouls.

Man United committed two more fouls than Arsenal, but received 18 fewer cards.

Even if we account for severity of fouls, the numbers are shocking, and I don't mean from the perspective of officials are out to get Arsenal (although I think there's a long history of skewed perception against Arsenal being fouled or fouling by officials), I just mean the absurd inconsistency. It's insane.

Leicester committed the twelfth most fouls, but have the highest fouls per card number at 9.5. Imagine receiving a card for every ninth foul, on average. That's living the life.

[Krebstar]

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One more random foul statistic I found interesting—biggest gaps between fouls, and fouled.

Aston Villa were fouled 74 more times than they fouled opposition, and Watford fouled opposition 139 times more than they were fouled.

[Keirik]

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I honestly don’t think that was a sending off anyway. It was a legitimate play for a 50/50 and the ball is coming from behind him. Would have been a tough red. I remember Nani getting a red for something similar in the CL years ago and thinking it was extremely harsh.

[Krebstar]

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I honestly don’t think that was a sending off anyway. It was a legitimate play for a 50/50 and the ball is coming from behind him. Would have been a tough red. I remember Nani getting a red for something similar in the CL years ago and thinking it was extremely harsh.

What if Keita’s foot goes into a knee or shin? Because players are sent off for 50/50 balls and that happening constantly.

The higher you aim, the safer it is?

[Keirik]

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What if Keita’s foot goes into a knee or shin? Because players are sent off for 50/50 balls and that happening constantly.

The higher you aim, the safer it is?

I didn’t say that, I, just saying it was unintentional with no malice behind it. He honestly didn’t see that player so I can see why it’s not a red.

[Krebstar]

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I didn’t say that, I, just saying it was unintentional with no malice behind it. He honestly didn’t see that player so I can see why it’s not a red.

The problem is we often see players sent off who only have their foot lunging towards the ball, but collide with a player into their ankle, shin, or knee, and even though there’s zero malice but still a clear attempt to play the ball, it’s a red.

I don’t see a difference in what happened. You can’t have tour foot that high and not realize you might be near one of twenty one other players.

It’s that it wasn’t even a yellow that’s insane. Zero consistency.

[Keirik]

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The problem is we often see players sent off who only have their foot lunging towards the ball, but collide with a player into their ankle, shin, or knee, and even though there’s zero malice but still a clear attempt to play the ball, it’s a red.

I don’t see a difference in what happened. You can’t have tour foot that high and not realize you might be near one of twenty one other players.

It’s that it wasn’t even a yellow that’s insane. Zero consistency.

There definitely is very little consistency. As I said though, I think personally there is a difference between going in studs high for a tackle for a man you are facing and raising your boot to cradle a ball coming down from the other direction. It’s an accidental clash rather than making a decision to go all in with someone you know is there.

[Brahvocado]

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Thing to remember is that intent does not matter, this is an official objective stance.

It doesn't matter that he didn't have malicious intent, it is no longer a consideration and hasn't been for several years now.

It was a dangerous play, he did not play the ball at all, and put his studs into someone's chest, it's a red card.

[Brahvocado]

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Just going to add that "his eyes were on the ball the whole time" is one of my least favorite arguments in any debate about cards.

These are elite athletes who are hyper-aware of basically everything in the game at all times, there is zero chance he doesn't know he's close to another player.

I'm a poor soccer player and certainly not even remotely close to being an elite athlete, and I always know how close I am to other players even if I'm not directly looking at them.

[JHedges2]

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So, switching gears...

With these international matches coming up, aren’t all the players going to have to quarantine 14 days upon return?

Isn’t that royally going to mess things up?


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[Brahvocado]

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In theory? Yes it should lmao.

Guess we will find out when the season starts, it can be like another game within the game.

[Keirik]

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Thing to remember is that intent does not matter, this is an official objective stance.

It doesn't matter that he didn't have malicious intent, it is no longer a consideration and hasn't been for several years now.

It was a dangerous play, he did not play the ball at all, and put his studs into someone's chest, it's a red card.

Just going to add that "his eyes were on the ball the whole time" is one of my least favorite arguments in any debate about cards.

These are elite athletes who are hyper-aware of basically everything in the game at all times, there is zero chance he doesn't know he's close to another player.

I'm a poor soccer player and certainly not even remotely close to being an elite athlete, and I always know how close I am to other players even if I'm not directly looking at them.

Well, I think it’s pretty clear that the referees don’t just go by official stance. I personally think they got it right. We can agree to disagree.

[Brahvocado]

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Yeah I mean, most United fans have taken that stance, which is fair since it is very similar to the Nani red card.

I just don't think there is a way to make Keita look good here. Either he knew he was close to another player, which I've argued is the case more often than not, or he genuinely didn't have any idea he was that close, which is arguably worse and more reckless.