2022-23 English Football Thread

[ProfessaPackMan]

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Oh this was entertaining

[Brahvocado]

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They use their stupid decisions to justify more stupid decisions which makes it even worse. You know the thinking was, well, Caicedo definitely was late and deserves a booking…but now that I think about it I really should’ve booked Martinelli. Damn, I guess we’re even and nobody can complain.

That was setting the stage for yet another infuriating and cowardly refereeing performance (from the perspective of both clubs).

They had a chance when people were making a big deal about Harry Kane doing that ridiculous undercutting. There are so many things they need to revisit and that’s one of them, would have been a great starting point.

Instead they just ignored it, probably very thankful Kane just decided to police himself and stopped doing it. Now Martinelli is doing it and they’ve already established they don’t really care. The challenge he made on Mitoma today gets you a red card in rugby, didn’t even warrant a booking for a prem ref cause it’s early in the game. How many times this season have we seen completely ridiculous challenges go unpunished?

They won’t change anything until someone gets a terrible injury, and then they will claim nobody could have known this would happen.

[Krebstar]

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They had a chance when people were making a big deal about Harry Kane doing that ridiculous undercutting. There are so many things they need to revisit and that’s one of them, would have been a great starting point.

Instead they just ignored it, probably very thankful Kane just decided to police himself and stopped doing it. Now Martinelli is doing it and they’ve already established they don’t really care. The challenge he made on Mitoma today gets you a red card in rugby, didn’t even warrant a booking for a prem ref cause it’s early in the game. How many times this season have we seen completely ridiculous challenges go unpunished?

They won’t change anything until someone gets a terrible injury, and then they will claim nobody could have known this would happen.

(Obvious Arsenal bias, but still)

Martinelli has done the Kane Undercut™ once (even then I'd argue it was nowhere as bad as Kane's )—today was entirely different. Still dangerous and should be punished, but to me it's a result of a player having the **** kicked and elbowed out of him and realizing he can do anything back and likely not be punished, either. Martinelli, as a teenager, played against adults in the Brazilian state leagues, and it was always reported he's more than comfortably with being overly physical as he had no choice but to adapt when he was young.

Now, does that mean dangerous fouls are not dangerous? No, but it's just a result of 'let it flow' and all that other nonsense. Players, especially those who are technically less-skilled or who are and therefore are targeted are going to consistently push the boundaries of what they can get away with (one as their only means of dealing, the second as retaliation). It's stupid, but it's so wrapped up as being the identity of 'English Football' that even leg breaks and paralysis is unlikely to change anything soon.

As for rugby, I'm all for comparisons, but it's getting to the point where they're so polar opposites it doesn't even help any longer. Utter '**** off' even the slightest to a rugby official and you're off. Premier League? Grab them, scream in their face, do whatever you want.

[ImTellinTim]

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Yes, send Rat Vardy and co. further into the relegation zone

[Krebstar]

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Yes, send Rat Vardy and co. further into the relegation zone

Will be interesting to see how much of their squad is brought onto top-flight teams next season after they surely drop.

[southernmetalhead]

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Leicester better hope they find their Kompany for next year in the Championship. Deano's contract was short-term and there's no way they can keep him.

[KG]

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Ivan Toney hit with an 8 month ban. There goes his chance at a big $ move this summer.


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[Krebstar]

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Ivan Toney hit with an 8 month ban. There goes his chance at a big $ move this summer.


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I hear Thomas Frank is throwing a huge party tonight.

[ImTellinTim]

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I get the players know the rules, but I'd like to see betting companies be banned from giving sponsorship money.

[KG]

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I get the players know the rules, but I'd like to see betting companies be banned from giving sponsorship money.

I think I heard something about them being removed from being able to be shirt sponsors.


I think they should disclose all of his bets. Most athletes, sans Mayweather are terrible bettors [emoji23]


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[Brahvocado]

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(Obvious Arsenal bias, but still)

Martinelli has done the Kane Undercut™ once (even then I'd argue it was nowhere as bad as Kane's )—today was entirely different. Still dangerous and should be punished, but to me it's a result of a player having the **** kicked and elbowed out of him and realizing he can do anything back and likely not be punished, either. Martinelli, as a teenager, played against adults in the Brazilian state leagues, and it was always reported he's more than comfortably with being overly physical as he had no choice but to adapt when he was young.

Now, does that mean dangerous fouls are not dangerous? No, but it's just a result of 'let it flow' and all that other nonsense. Players, especially those who are technically less-skilled or who are and therefore are targeted are going to consistently push the boundaries of what they can get away with (one as their only means of dealing, the second as retaliation). It's stupid, but it's so wrapped up as being the identity of 'English Football' that even leg breaks and paralysis is unlikely to change anything soon.

As for rugby, I'm all for comparisons, but it's getting to the point where they're so polar opposites it doesn't even help any longer. Utter '**** off' even the slightest to a rugby official and you're off. Premier League? Grab them, scream in their face, do whatever you want.

Ok but they don't have to be opposites has been my point, there is a lot about rugby refereeing that would be VERY easy for the premier league to replicate, but they just have no desire to do so.

Also tbf in that specific game Martinelli didn't get kicked and fouled until after he tried to give Mitoma a concussion.

I agree with the rest though, but there are definitely changes that CAN be made, obviously the question is always going to be WILL they, and of course that answer is going to continue to be "no".

But yeah that foul on Mitoma is a pretty classic example of prem refs refusing to make big decisions early in a game, and several other English ref stereotypes as well.

[Krebstar]

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Ok but they don't have to be opposites has been my point, there is a lot about rugby refereeing that would be VERY easy for the premier league to replicate, but they just have no desire to do so.

Oh, I know, and repeatedly on here I've suggested people go watch Nigel Owens and Wayne Barnes Youtube compilations to see how actual adults officiate sporting matches. But the PGMOL just seems to be doubling, or tripling down on being absolute ****, so I've given up.

Also tbf in that specific game Martinelli didn't get kicked and fouled until after he tried to give Mitoma a concussion.

The point stands—he's expecting it, and he's seen what you can get away with in the league, so why not do it before it happens to you?

It's why I don't have a problem with Arsenal players doing it, because everyone is. I'd rather nobody did it, but I've watched too many years of Arsenal squads full of delicate cowards who won't give back what they're getting, or giving it before they do. I'm not going to cheer it, but I'm also not going to shame an Arsenal player or call for their head if they absolutely wreck someone, because it's (unfortunately) now required to be competitive in the league.

This actually reminds me how Matthew Debuchy's career was essentially derailed when he jumped for a ball near the touchline, and Arnautovic (shocking) player jumped and pushed into him with no intent to play the ball. Debuchy badly injured his shoulder upon hitting the ground/hoarding and never found form with Arsenal again.

It wasn't a foul, and the consensus was Arsenal were soft and you just have to accept that level of physicality in England. This was more than eight years ago in 2015. What's changed? That type of 'foul' might now be an actual foul, but someone may not even be booked for it.

So, maybe in 2031 Martinelli gets booked for that foul.

[Krebstar]

2022-23 English Football Thread

Always good to see Kane scoring yet another rather meaningless goal in regards to Spurs actually doing anything.

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This was posted when it was 1-0 and another celebration occurred over some random individual record for Kane.

Now it’s 1-2 so that goal has the chance to be even more meaningless.

[Krebstar]

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GIVE THE JOB TO RYAN MASON.

[ImTellinTim]

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