A small franchise tweak that would go a long way

[TarHeelPhenom]

Quote: Originally Posted by direfire

I think Sports games period would be better if you never saw the ratings.... The only way you could tell if a player is good or a fit for your team is when you play them in game. Would add a ton of depth trying to figure out.. What you're looking for OP has been semi done in a tool called tdawgs xp progression tool...

The OP makes a great point. It's why when I play/used to play NCAA 14, I would edit every recruit during the preseason so that their Overall and Pre Scout Overall was at 10. That way it would force me to keep scouting and spending points to look deeper into the recruit that I was going after. Less can be more in situations like these.

[oneamongthefence]

I think dev traits should be hidden until the end of the season for rookies or more than 500 snaps. Just have all rookie dev traits hidden until they meet that threshold.

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[zmonkey]

Quote: Originally Posted by direfire

What you're looking for OP has been semi done in a tool called tdawgs xp progression tool...

Thank you for showing this to me! I'm trying it out now. Now I think if you could combine it with a UI mod that doesn't show player ratings it would be perfect.

[ijumpedthegun]

Quote: Originally Posted by Phillyboi207

To be fair they can still develop with the scenario engine so there’s reason to keep trying to develop him

I played a whole lot of Madden 20 and played a bit of 21 during the free weekend. I don't think I've ever seen a QB's dev trait change due to a triggered scenario. It's always just via winning awards at the end of the season.

[fringeelement]

Once upon a time, not so long ago (although it feels like ancient history), this wasn't a problem. Rookie ratings were hidden until at least after the draft and I think even through preseason. When Franchise became "Connected" is when the problems began. OP is obviously kinda new so might want to check out Duecedouglas's franchise ideas here:

https://forums.operationsports.com/f...e-rebuild.html

[ggsimmonds]

I've offered up ideas on how to improve the experience and make personnel decisions matter previously, here is a quick synopsis.

• Restore the old feature where a player ratings were revealed based on how much you scouted him
• Keep development speed, but also add a fully hidden max potential rating
• Player's development speed should never be explicitly given, and there should be some variation due to hot streaks, scenario engine stories, etc
• Development speed should be presented as a set of 7 chevrons -- 3 up, 3 down, one leveled. They should be color coded, green for up, yellow for steady, red for decreasing.The more bars in a certain direction, the quicker the development/regression. Again, it could change week to week

Lets say you draft a QB with a 74 ovr, and in the next stage of franchise (otas), in the roster screen you see 3 green chevrons pointing up. Does that mean he has superstar development? No, could mean he has normal or star but just had a good camp. Preseason it could drop down to one bar, or two, or hold steady at 3. It would be up to you to monitor week to week until a pattern emerges. There is no magic point where you are explicitly told what his dev trait is, but deep into the first season if it has consistently been at a certain level with slight fluctuations after good and bad games you should have a good idea on his dev trait.

But because max potential is always locked, you don't know how long he will continue that trend. He could be Joe Flacco -- progresses very fast but maxes quick. Or continues to progress well beyond Flacco. Basically we have any combination of speed and potential to work with.

With this change suddenly personnel decisions matter, and you may find yourself agonizing over starting that 84 ovr vet, or giving the keys to a 77 ovr rookie. That rookie could max at 82 ovr, or become a star. Only way to find out is to play him.

With scenario engine we have even more possibilities. Some coaches (sup Andy Reid) could have traits that allow for a slight chance to boost a player's max potential. Say in the previous scenario you went with the rookie, and that 84 ovr vet signed with Reid's team, and he is now a 90 ovr pro bowler.
That makes for a engaging franchise story and its dynamic, with the tools given it happened on its own.

[PeoplesChampGB]

Madden should adapt NHL's fog of war, scouting and drafting processes. It would go a long way.

[moTIGS]

Quote: Originally Posted by direfire

I think Sports games period would be better if you never saw the ratings.... The only way you could tell if a player is good or a fit for your team is when you play them in game. Would add a ton of depth trying to figure out.. What you're looking for OP has been semi done in a tool called tdawgs xp progression tool...

I've been on the "get rid of ratings" bandwagon for about 15 years. It has always bugged me that a running back, for example, might run for 1,500 yards and THEN get better as a direct result. Real players don't get better because they perform. They perform because they got better. Sports games generally get this backward.

There are a lot of ways the game could handle this, but essentially, I'd like Madden to require me to dig a bit into a player to find out how good he really is. Is that 1,200-yard running back in free agency a true lead back? Or is he Olandis Gary? The game won't tell you directly. You'll have to actually look into him a bit to find out.

It's absurd to me that in 2020, we organize our depth charts and sign free agents based on overall ratings and individual attributes. I want a sports game that genuinely feels like I'm looking at a real depth chart, at a real football-reference page, or at a real draft board.

Quote: Originally Posted by stinkubus

The whole point of my post is that you don't need to question the fundamental elements of the game because someone is kind enough to crack the game's source code and post all of the relevant information on their twitter account. They've been doing this since at least Madden 18.

Someone I've never heard of posting information on a twitter account I've never seen doesn't change how I experience the game.

If MUT players want every scrap of information they can find, fine. The franchise experience is (or should be) a totally separate one.