Can someone explain sub specialists vs depth chart?

[Richie71]

If your LOLB and ROLB are listed at DE or Sub-LB, they will appear in your su packages.


The most common nickel alignment change from a 3-4 is to a 4-2 that lines up with the OLBs at DE, the best two pash rush lineman in the middle (usually taking out your nose tackle) and then your same two ILBs, if they can cover.

[SouthernWarrior]

Quote: Originally Posted by Richie71

If your LOLB and ROLB are listed at DE or Sub-LB, they will appear in your su packages. The most common nickel alignment change from a 3-4 is to a 4-2 that lines up with the OLBs at DE, the best two pash rush lineman in the middle (usually taking out your nose tackle) and then your same two ILBs, if they can cover.

so in the 4-2 instance.. the backups playing as "starters" in this scenario would most likely be: the backup OLB's at LOLB and ROLB who are now the new "starters"? And the two initial MLB's (from the 3-4) are in this play too or no?

[Richie71]

Quote: Originally Posted by SouthernWarrior

so in the 4-2 instance.. the backups playing as "starters" in this scenario would most likely be: the backup OLB's at LOLB and ROLB who are now the new "starters"? And the two initial MLB's (from the 3-4) are in this play too or no?

4-2 is a sub package. So ignore the base depth chart for those positions.
In 4-2, your DEs are the players listed as sub-DE, and the DTs are the players listed as sub-DT. The LBs are the players listed as sub-LB. You must forget the base depth chart for DL and LB when looking at your nickle and dime lineups.

[PhillyPhanatic14]

Would be great if someone could explain this to the Madden team as well. If you try to play a Player Franchise with a DE or DT you can't get on the field in any formation other than base 3-4/4-3 & special teams even if you're the only player at those positions. The CPU will put OLB's in there before allowing the user to play in specialist packages.

[burth179]

Quote: Originally Posted by SouthernWarrior

Can you explain this to me, I don't get this? Why does a top RE move to LE on passing downs then? My scheme is a 3-4 storm so everyone other than my MLB (pass coverage) and CB's/Safeties (Zone) are aiming to be "Speed Rusher" specialists. I think I read somewhere that RRE and RLE serve different purposes though? Also in a 3-4 storm (using the Ravens defense) how often is a nickel being called estimated?

I assume you are simulating the games since if not you would be calling the defense yourself. Looking at downs played over many simulations I'd estimate you are in Nickel/Dime far more often than base defense, probably 70% or more of the time. Your sub package depth chart is really your base these days (which is true in real football as well).

In a 3 4 typically my DT comes off the field and my 2 de are sub DT. My OLB are my edge rushers. But depending on personnel that can be slightly different (maybe one of my DE comes off instead)

[SouthernWarrior]

Quote: Originally Posted by burth179

I assume you are simulating the games since if not you would be calling the defense yourself. Looking at downs played over many simulations I'd estimate you are in Nickel/Dime far more often than base defense, probably 70% or more of the time. Your sub package depth chart is really your base these days (which is true in real football as well). In a 3 4 typically my DT comes off the field and my 2 de are sub DT. My OLB are my edge rushers. But depending on personnel that can be slightly different (maybe one of my DE comes off instead)

Yes I am simulating games. Thank you for that.

I play a 3-4.. had no idea in that scenario the two Sub DT would then become the "starters".

[jfsolo]

I don't know how well it works in simmed games, but sub packages and formations subs allow you to get really creative.

For my upcoming season I've decided to turn my 3-3-5 set to a 5-1-5 package, 3 DT, and 2 power rushing DE replacing the outside LBs with my best run stopping LB in the middle with the normal Nickle DB package behind them.

I have no idea how it's going to work, but I'll start off using it sparingly and see how well it functions.

[Dagan]

This might be common knowledge. I'm not sure, but...

Offline Franchise. Even though I use a custom playbook - if I change the personnel / subs for the playbook that is selected in the coach's screen (and obviously, if I have the same sets or plays in my custom playbook), those substitutions actually carry over into the game.