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[LBzrule]

Quote: Originally Posted by roadman

The CD guys can correct if I'm wrong, but the game is already in Alpha build by the time they arrive. I would think any major upgrading that the CD folks bring to the table would need to wait for the next Madden. I'm sure they can tweak and tune some of the glaring things that the CD folks recognize. Just my opinion, though.

This is actually correct. It's not like CD guys can go in and give them an idea to put in the game at that point. All of that has already been decided. Any ideas that are given that are not in the game = the next cycle, that's why we got run blocking this cycle. It was highly criticized last year along with line stunts, fronts, Pass blocking, WR vs DB ect. Most of it will get addressed but the time table is just not where we as fans want it and sometimes talking an idea does not translate well into the program they have.

Their program is primarily numbers based, but then when we say, Chris Johnson needs to get loose in this game, what we get is exactly that no matter who it is against because his numbers dictate things. I had one game where he just stiff armed Mount Cody. And I almost broke a promise that I made to myself over 7 years running. I have not thrown a controller LOL. But I had to grab a piece of paper and just ball it up. That's something that should not happen, but the numbers in the game dictate that it will happen. They are gonna have to go to physics to correct that type of stuff. They can talk physics down all they want but to eliminate that they will have to adopt some type of physics.

[djordan]

Quote: Originally Posted by Crimsontide27

Their is no way that they can say that they " dont know " about these problems. This is the most frustrating part about this franchise to me. Not only do they know about all of these problems, but they refuse to fix them and introduce new and improved gamebreaking features year in and year out. They not only have access to these boards, but many more like them. They dont need to fly people down here to Orlando and have a meet and greet to get feedback on the game, they have access to more feedback than they can ever use by the wonderful world wide web. Not only do they have access to forums around the world, but with the introduction to youtube and EA sports world or whatever, aspiring posters can now post a video of exactly what " said " problem is. Now you have a ton of information and plenty of videos to back up your claims. This is what makes me the most angry. Every year there is a new plethora of issues that creep up into the game that magically werent there the year prior, and they refuse to fix the issues of the previous years. All the info EA / Tiburon could possibly ever want or need can be found with some google fu. I have been playing football games since the Odyesse 2 era and have never been as disappointed as I am with this current EA team working on Madden. They have completely ruined my hobby and its irritating. I wish the entire team would disband and let some younger developers that are hungry to get their name out there, work on the titles. To me, the Tiburon team is like Randy Moss. A wonderful athlete that " plays when he wants to play " Tiburon is full of talent, I know this because a few of them are my personal friends . These conversations never come up outside of work because the last things they want to hear outside of the workplace is more complaining. Quite a few of the team are bored and want to do other things and its showing. However, they meet their target sales and keep their superiors happy which keeps them employed. It has been completely evident over the course of next gen gaming that the Madden team is the most lax and under-achieving squad in next gen gaming. Every sport has seen a paradigm shift between their counterparts of yesteryear, to what they are today. I can not think of any other sports titles that are as bad as current next gen Madden. Soccer, NBA, Golf, Boxing, Baseball, Hockey, etc etc have made great strides, while Madden has continued to regress. This was / is the best selling sports franchise in history, so there is no excuse to continue to destroy their cash cow. It just makes no sense. I honestly cant think of any other video game sports franchise that is in such disaray as the current Madden football titles. Some may consider this bashing, but its not. There is no other major sports game franchise that has such bland presentation, not one. There is no other major sports game that has such detracted and poorly edited commentary. There is no other sports game that is released on a yearly basis that requires a basic rework of the entire game through multiple patches throughout the year.

GREAAAT GREEEATT GREEAAAAAAT POST!!!!!!!

[rooney8]

Quote: Originally Posted by djordan

GREAAAT GREEEATT GREEAAAAAAT POST!!!!!!!

If Madden had a new dev team it wouldn't get rid of the obstacles in the way of making a great sim game.

[DaveDQ]

Quote: Originally Posted by Crimsontide27

They have completely ruined my hobby and its irritating.

I agree with this to the point that EA Sports should be held accountable for not addressing these core football issues, but then there is my part in allowing things to bug me to the point that I can't enjoy the game. This is why I bought Madden 10. Pro-Tak led me to believe they were beginning my biggest problem with the game (tackling).

However, the first time I saw the same flawed tackling in the M11 demo I made the decision there that I wouldn't be bothering with the final product. It is now to the point that my qualms with how this game generates tackles prevent me from enjoying the gaming experience. The flaw is too obvious and the method in which they address the error is just as worse.

Remember when it was found out that MLB 2K10 would not have check swings? The community was in a bit of an uproar. "How could you remove a fundamental element of the game," many argued. 2K immediately patched it. Even with the Strategy Pad. EA quickly let many know it would be fixed so that you can use the old method. So with tackling, why isn't the community making an impact with how important this is? Why aren't we seeing the questions being asked and then a response from the developers?

What's more important to the community, hand towels or proper tackling?

[BezO]

Quote: Originally Posted by LBzrule

This is actually correct. It's not like CD guys can go in and give them an idea to put in the game at that point. All of that has already been decided. Any ideas that are given that are not in the game = the next cycle, that's why we got run blocking this cycle. It was highly criticized last year along with line stunts, fronts, Pass blocking, WR vs DB ect. Most of it will get addressed but the time table is just not where we as fans want it and sometimes talking an idea does not translate well into the program they have.

Smaller current suggestions make it in. Remember Ian worked on the stunts right on the spot last year. That sparked a lot of my enthusiasm. Maybe you knew, but I didn't, that he would need to fix EVERY stunt in EVERY defense, separately. Obvioulsly, that never happened.

And this year, they worked on the DE pass rush based on current suggestions. We didn't get what I wanted, but they did get the DEs to do that curved outside rush that we're seeing this year. Not close to a speed rush, but I guess it's better than what we had.

Quote: Originally Posted by LBzrule

Their program is primarily numbers based, but then when we say, Chris Johnson needs to get loose in this game, what we get is exactly that no matter who it is against because his numbers dictate things. I had one game where he just stiff armed Mount Cody. And I almost broke a promise that I made to myself over 7 years running. I have not thrown a controller LOL. But I had to grab a piece of paper and just ball it up. That's something that should not happen, but the numbers in the game dictate that it will happen. They are gonna have to go to physics to correct that type of stuff. They can talk physics down all they want but to eliminate that they will have to adopt some type of physics.

Yeah, I've seen craziness like that. I think it is somewhat related to their limited system, but I also think it's about the lack of animation. There's no footwork to duplicate what CJ can do. CJ plants, cuts, explodes, ect. Those things are just not there. CJ has to stand out in other ways.

It's almost like back when they couldn't represent good power backs without boosting their speed. Now we have almost the opposite problem.

[roadman]

Quote: Originally Posted by DaveDQ

I agree with this to the point that EA Sports should be held accountable for not addressing these core football issues, but then there is my part in allowing things to bug me to the point that I can't enjoy the game. This is why I bought Madden 10. Pro-Tak led me to believe they were beginning my biggest problem with the game (tackling). However, the first time I saw the same flawed tackling in the M11 demo I made the decision there that I wouldn't be bothering with the final product. It is now to the point that my qualms with how this game generates tackles prevent me from enjoying the gaming experience. The flaw is too obvious and the method in which they address the error is just as worse. Remember when it was found out that MLB 2K10 would not have check swings? The community was in a bit of an uproar. "How could you remove a fundamental element of the game," many argued. 2K immediately patched it. Even with the Strategy Pad. EA quickly let many know it would be fixed so that you can use the old method. So with tackling, why isn't the community making an impact with how important this is? Why aren't we seeing the questions being asked and then a response from the developers? What's more important to the community, hand towels or proper tackling?

Agree with your post, but I think it will take more than a patch to fix the tackling issues.

I'm sure it's something Bezo, LBz and everyone else affiliated with CD has brought up.

You brought up MLB2k. This year, there were no errors or injuries in the game out of the box. How can their not be errors in a baseball game?

The response was they couldn't perform the task in a patch, they would need more time with it.

[Franchise408]

Quote: Originally Posted by MJenness

Wrong on both counts. First of all, EA openly admitted that THEY approached the NFL several years in a row trying to get an exclusive deal done...only when the NFL got po'd at 2k for selling 2k5 at 19.99 (thereby cutting some of the % money the NFL gets) and the "bid" Ea put in was an ourageous amount (much more than the NFL was making on % of ALL of the games on the market at that time) which NO competitor (except MS) could possibly have matched. Secondly, the baseball license deal was ONLY in retaliation (and frankly, I was happy 2k did SOMETHING) as it affected EA most. Certainly hasn't hurt baseball as a video game, since MLB the show is simply spectacular, IMO. The MLB license only affected 3rd party developers. It did NOT shut out all competition, which is a HUGE difference, and the main reason we have the Madden games we have had since. Madden is, once again, totally unpolished, flawed in major ways, broken in others. And while we can sit and wait for the fixes that might come in the patches, there is NO WAY they can possibly fix all that is wrong and lacking in 2 size-capped patches. As long as EA has the license to themselves, we are doomed to more of the same year after year...and it is all because they KNOW they can do this. They're the only game in town...the game will sell tons regardless of quality, simply because it has the license, and that is exactly WHY EA bought it in the first place.

This times infinity.

This is exactly why I so greatly dislike EA.

[LBzrule]

Quote: Originally Posted by BezO

Smaller current suggestions make it in. Remember Ian worked on the stunts right on the spot last year. That sparked a lot of my enthusiasm. Maybe you knew, but I didn't, that he would need to fix EVERY stunt in EVERY defense, separately. Obvioulsly, that never happened. And this year, they worked on the DE pass rush based on current suggestions. We didn't get what I wanted, but they did get the DEs to do that curved outside rush that we're seeing this year. Not close to a speed rush, but I guess it's better than what we had. Yeah, I've seen craziness like that. I think it is somewhat related to their limited system, but I also think it's about the lack of animation. There's no footwork to duplicate what CJ can do. CJ plants, cuts, explodes, ect. Those things are just not there. CJ has to stand out in other ways. It's almost like back when they couldn't represent good power backs without boosting their speed. Now we have almost the opposite problem.

That is true. And I gotta say I do applaud them on the DE's running the arc. That was a suggestion I made late and it did get in with limitations. But it is in.