I Dont See What People Are Talking About...CPU AI

[jgreengutta]

I read people saying the CPU run game is broken in CCM...Well they was ripping my D apart...The RBs ran with passion...So I don't see what every one is talkin' about??? I play on Very Fast/15 min/13 sec... But the CPU does run the ball too much... I wonder why different people are getting different results

[oo40oztofreedum]

Re: I Dont See What People Are Talking About...CPU AI

I read people saying the CPU run game is broken in CCM...Well they was ripping my D apart...The RBs ran with passion...So I don't see what every one is talkin' about??? I play on Very Fast/15 min/13 sec... But the CPU does run the ball too much... I wonder why different people are getting different results

The most important thing is what difficulty you playin? and custom sliders or not

[payton425]

Re: I Dont See What People Are Talking About...CPU AI

Do you play conventional playcalling?

[wheelman990]

Re: I Dont See What People Are Talking About...CPU AI

Well I am a offline gamer, here is my take so far

On default all pro, 10 min q's, 25 sec run off I won 70-9 in the CCM super bowl. I put my controller down on defense half way through the 3rd, and just played offense just to see if they would move the ball. They didn't

I averaged 55+ points per game through CCm with these settings.

If you move to all madden, its the same AI, but Madden dumbs down your players so bad it is laughable. Drop obvious balls, never break a tackle, and your defensive backs stand 5+ yards away from the offensive receivers.

I won't even get into the exploits you can do with simple hot routes and audibles. The yards that can be put up in this game is crazy

[steamboat]

Re: I Dont See What People Are Talking About...CPU AI

Well I am a offline gamer, here is my take so far

On default all pro, 10 min q's, 25 sec run off I won 70-9 in the CCM super bowl. I put my controller down on defense half way through the 3rd, and just played offense just to see if they would move the ball. They didn't

I averaged 55+ points per game through CCm with these settings.

If you move to all madden, its the same AI, but Madden dumbs down your players so bad it is laughable. Drop obvious balls, never break a tackle, and your defensive backs stand 5+ yards away from the offensive receivers.

I won't even get into the exploits you can do with simple hot routes and audibles. The yards that can be put up in this game is crazy

This is definitely not my experience on all-pro default sliders in CCM. Seeing things like this make me feel completely inept, and then I see others with similar results and all I can do is sigh and throw my hands in the air.

[wheelman990]

Re: I Dont See What People Are Talking About...CPU AI

This is definitely not my experience on all-pro default sliders in CCM. Seeing things like this make me feel completely inept, and then I see others with similar results and all I can do is sigh and throw my hands in the air.

I don't know man. maybe some of us just found some money type plays, abuse the coverage, hot routes, audibles,etc? I don't look for glitches,and don't try to play cheap at all, but you just find things that work I guess.

I get a ton of huge pass plays that go for 40+ yard Td's. i have messed with threshold from 0 to 100 and can get them no matter what. Hot routes, audibles, and bringing the rb out of the backfield as a extra hot route receiver is easy to create big plays against the defense.

I may have to start playing without hot routes and audibles, that would make it more of a challenge. All Madden is def cheap though. Not a option because its just cheese play.

[steamboat]

Re: I Dont See What People Are Talking About...CPU AI

I don't know man. maybe some of us just found some money type plays, abuse the coverage, hot routes, audibles,etc? I don't look for glitches,and don't try to play cheap at all, but you just find things that work I guess.

I get a ton of huge pass plays that go for 40+ yard Td's. i have messed with threshold from 0 to 100 and can get them no matter what. Hot routes, audibles, and bringing the rb out of the backfield as a extra hot route receiver is easy to create big plays against the defense.

I may have to start playing without hot routes and audibles, that would make it more of a challenge. All Madden is def cheap though. Not a option because its just cheese play.

I only hot Route when I see something in coverage that is obvious, no idea about money plays, I just call a normal game. I keep up on all pro but just barely. Only win if its an obvious overmatch (i.e. 49ers vs dolphins) and on pro I just kill everyone regardless. I'm having trouble having fun playing out games (and honestly this has been a problem I have always had). I prefer simulating, but right now I feel thats useless as I have to play out practices. I'm trying to play MUT, but with all the meaningful games being either user vs user or all madden, I've gotten frustrated with that.

I don't have time to become a master at manipulating the game. I have to use the knowledge I have and the very limited stick skill I have (I'm better off putting the controller down on defense) to play. All I can really say I guess, is if you don't play the game realistically maybe its not realistic to expect a realistic result from it?

[steamboat]

Re: I Dont See What People Are Talking About...CPU AI

Wouldn't it be logical that if the game is fixed so that you have a competitive game that I would be completely blown out every time on all-pro? I must go to pro where my players play better then they should. I dunno, I guess I'm just never going to be happy with on field play because those that are good at the game want it to produce more realistic results for them that makes mine not as realistic. I can't get the sliders to fix it. I feel that the average person on here does not understand where I am coming from.

[jfsolo]

Re: I Dont See What People Are Talking About...CPU AI

I'm not seeing it either. In all the years that I've been on OS, my experience with a game has never been more radically different than most of the posters here then with Madden 13. Sure I see the lack of DPI, the crappy CPU kick and punt returning logic and occasional sketchy CPU RB and QB decision making logic as well, but I'm not seeing this totally non competitive, completely oblivious CPU A.I. that many others are so angry about.

The CPU can run and throw successfully in games, can force me into 3 and outs several times during a game, has a nice balance of running and throwing the ball, depending on the score and their personnel, you know, just regular solid football.

I'm playing an online CCM, 15 minute-ACC clock quarters, with slightly modified All-Pro Sliders, and conventional playcalling. I really am totally at a loss as to why others are having such a crappy experience playing the game.

[wheelman990]

Re: I Dont See What People Are Talking About...CPU AI

I think the problem honestly is sliders don't work right. Everyone has a different skill level. thats not a bad thing. The game should be able to fit everyones ability's.

IMO sliders will make your team worse, but you can't really make the CPU better

[steamboat]

Re: I Dont See What People Are Talking About...CPU AI

I think the problem honestly is sliders don't work right. Everyone has a different skill level. thats not a bad thing. The game should be able to fit everyones ability's.

IMO sliders will make your team worse, but you can't really make the CPU better

Have you ever played MUT legend series games? Computer is superhuman in that.

[wheelman990]

Re: I Dont See What People Are Talking About...CPU AI

Have you ever played MUT legend series games? Computer is superhuman in that.

Never tried that mode. I'm mostly just a offline franchise player.

[steamboat]

Re: I Dont See What People Are Talking About...CPU AI

Never tried that mode. I'm mostly just a offline franchise player.

All madden on ccm is really hard, I lose by 20 points most times, usually 10. In MUT, I lose by 50 sometimes.

[Altimate]

Re: I Dont See What People Are Talking About...CPU AI

CPU does run the ball a lot, or tries to, but I run it even more so it doesn't bother me. I've only played a couple of games on All-Madden default sliders where I struggled to stop the run. All-in-all I like the CPU play calling because the only way I get beaten is if I make mistakes on offense or the CPU just makes great plays. That's the way it should be.

[boxboy99]

Re: I Dont See What People Are Talking About...CPU AI

The CPU AI is hurting the interest in my offline CCM. The computer offense struggles with heavy slider changes in its favor and house rules. I also am using the Browns. It is too easy to just sit in cover 2 man and cover 3 and stop the computer. Until this year I hadn't played much Madden since 10 but the struggle with this series for me has always been getting a balanced difficulty. That said I am enjoying my multi-user online CCMs. Right now trying to decide if I want to stick with my offline CCM for my offline gaming or pick something up like NHL 13 or NBK 2k13. If I could get a fun challenge from Madden it would never leave my console.