Classic Pitching Questions and Discussion

[Heroesandvillains]

I know, I know...

I'm like the token OS poster child and fanboy of Analog Pitching.

But, while awaiting the patch, I decided to give Classic a whirl. And what a whirl it's been!

I'm just trying to get a general feel for what most people are using for difficultly level and slider adjustments.

So far, Default AS, with Control and Consistency at 6 seems good. I'm contemplating dropping CPU Solid Hits.

What is everyone else using? Is there a "must do" type of thing? Doing a search, every Classic user I've seen is currently on AS or below. Any HOF'ers out there?

Pretty much, any observations on sliders and difficulty would be helpful. Otherwise, I'll update my progress here while awaiting the patch.

Note: AS with Classic is freaking HARD!

[jripper09]

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hey HV what slider combination for the cpu would give you the same crazy results human does? heck clayton kershaw for me the other day walked 3 in a row it's crazy. but i really like it. you really need to know each of youre pitchers especially specialty pitches like curves and sliders. but on all star i think it's perfect!

[Kearnzo]

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Honestly, classic is hit or miss for me. I LOVE the feature itself, but i've had to bump up control and consistency to 7 each on AS to feel like my pitcher is competent. I just get tired of pitches literally missing by feet, not inches. I understand it happens in real life. But pitching with Cahill the other day, even when I tried to throw the sinker in the zone, it would bounce either WAY in front of the plate, or on the opposite side of the plate. Didn't matter how high the confidence was. I tried just tapping the button, holding it to max effort, holding it to maybe half effort, etc. Nothing worked.

I had good success with Cain the next game, to the tune of 80% strikes. It's just such a crazy variation. I like variation, but I feel like when I have an ace on the mound, it just doesn't FEEL like an ace should. If i'm pitching with Lincecum, i'm more worried that my pitches are going to miss by feet if I put anything more than minimum effort on them.

For now, i'll stick with control and consistency at 7. I may try to drop down to 6 for a stretch of games and see what I come up with, but i'll probably get frustrated the first few times I aim a fastball low and inside off the plate, and it winds up outside at the batters eye level.

Do you think maybe just upping consistency and not control would fix these issues? Consistency seems to only effect how much a pitch MISSES by, not how good the overall control is. Maybe i'll give 6 control, 7 consistency a shot and see what happens.

[Heroesandvillains]

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Thank you so much guys for joining me in the discussion.

I played two games. Control 6, Consistency 7. Remember, the night before I was 6/6 and got BEAT DOWN. Three times.

Game one, Sabathia, I went 7 innings; allowing 1 run (a solo shot), 6 hits, 6K, and 3 BB (5 combined with my relievers).

Game two, Burnett pitched a gem. Absolute gem.

8 innings, 0 runs, 8 K, 1 BB, and 3 hits. Mariano gave up a solo homer in the 9th...and I ended up losing 1-0.

Hopefully, I don't dominate too much like this, but I was really suprised how one click in consistency could turn those three massacres into two "year of the pitcher-esque" style outings.

I'll go through the rotation before I move one of those sliders down.

I'm pretty sure it's a mini-game with the confidence meter driving our success/failure.

Oh, everything else Default AS for CPU hitting, minus Solid Hits (4).

Do either of you have any relevant slider tweaks to the CPU hitting, or are you Default across the board?

[BleacherCreature]

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Thank you so much guys for joining me in the discussion.

I played two games. Control 6, Consistency 7. Remember, the night before I was 6/6 and got BEAT DOWN. Three times.

Game one, Sabathia, I went 7 innings; allowing 1 run (a solo shot), 6 hits, 6K, and 3 BB (5 combined with my relievers).

Game two, Burnett pitched a gem. Absolute gem.

8 innings, 0 runs, 8 K, 1 BB, and 3 hits. Mariano gave up a solo homer in the 9th...and I ended up losing 1-0.

Hopefully, I don't dominate too much like this, but I was really suprised how one click in consistency could turn those three massacres into two "year of the pitcher-esque" style outings.

I'll go through the rotation before I move one of those sliders down.

I'm pretty sure it's a mini-game with the confidence meter driving our success/failure.

Oh, everything else Default AS for CPU hitting, minus Solid Hits (4).

Do either of you have any relevant slider tweaks?

Something is definitely wrong with then.

[Heroesandvillains]

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Something is definitely wrong with then.

Hang on, Mr. Sarcastic.

Remember that shootout a couple years back? Burnett against Beckett. Probably the most enjoyable game I'd ever watched. He's definitely capable.

But I agree, a couple more starts with him like that and my PS3 may YLOD.

[Heroesandvillains]

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hey HV what slider combination for the cpu would give you the same crazy results human does? heck clayton kershaw for me the other day walked 3 in a row it's crazy. but i really like it. you really need to know each of youre pitchers especially specialty pitches like curves and sliders. but on all star i think it's perfect!

Oh, I just re-read your post.

For some reason I thought you said you changed control/consistency like Kearnzo.

Where do you have those two sliders and CPU hitting sliders at?

[jripper09]

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[QUOTE=heroesandvillians;2042300270]Thank you so much guys for joining me in the discussion.

I played two games. Control 6, Consistency 7. Remember, the night before I was 6/6 and got BEAT DOWN. Three times.

Game one, Sabathia, I went 7 innings; allowing 1 run (a solo shot), 6 hits, 6K, and 3 BB (5 combined with my relievers).

Game two, Burnett pitched a gem. Absolute gem.

8 innings, 0 runs, 8 K, 1 BB, and 3 hits. Mariano gave up a solo homer in the 9th...and I ended up losing 1-0.

Hopefully, I don't dominate too much like this, but I was really suprised how one click in consistency could turn those three massacres into two "year of the pitcher-esque" style outings.

I'll go through the rotation before I move one of those sliders down.

I'm pretty sure it's a mini-game with the confidence meter driving our success/failure.

Oh, everything else Default AS for CPU hitting, minus Solid Hits (4).

Do either of you have any relevant slider tweaks to the CPU hitting, or are you Default across the board?[/QUOTE
I use 5/5 for human pitching. heres what i do i take kershaw fore instance. i don't aim my pitches for corners every time, this is where it's more realistic sometimes i aim closer to to the middle and it will go to the corners or close to it. I throw a ton of fastballs with kershaw because honestly he has one of the best swing and miss ratio in baseball and gets a lot of swingthroughs. breaking pitches you have to know you're pitchers the confidence they have in that pitch that day. the only problem i have is when my confidence gets low i can't throw strikes unless it's a meatball. if you've used your'e trip to the mound you are screwed! That's where i'd like them to give us trips to the mound with our catchers maybe 3 a game and rate them on the catchers experience or a given new attribute for catchers.

hey HV i don't know how to do the quote thing i'm new this is only my 3rd post how does that work? thanks

[Heroesandvillains]

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Pick the post you want to quote, and on the bottom right hand corner, you'll see a "quote" button.

Click that. Type away! LOL!

5/5 eh? Good advice there on steering away from the corners. I like it.

I'll go 6/7 for now, working my way down if needed. Starting with control as I think I need that added consistency at the moment.

Have any stats you wanna share from your franchise?

[abstraktum]

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I play with Classic Pitching / Camera Pitcher on HOF with TNK & PsychoBulk ***The Perfect Slider Set 2011 Edition***
good games!

[Heroesandvillains]

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I play with Classic Pitching / Camera Pitcher on HOF with TNK & PsychoBulk ***The Perfect Slider Set 2011 Edition***
good games!

Thank you. Are they exact TNK/Psychobulk?

Could you share some franchise stats (ERA, BB, K, etc)?

[jripper09]

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Pick the post you want to quote, and on the bottom right hand corner, you'll see a "quote" button.

Click that. Type away! LOL!

5/5 eh? Good advice there on steering away from the corners. I like it.

I'll go 6/7 for now, working my way down if needed. Starting with control as I think I need that added consistency at the moment.

Have any stats you wanna share from your franchise?

ok i did as you said well see how the quote thingy turns out. LOL! i'm lefthanded so you have to give me a break. i'm waiting for patch to drop before i start franchise. i'm really liking your's and JG sliders with a few tweaks. i especially like you're global sliders. i have been trying allot of different slider combos playin around you know i'm probably going to be AS hitting HOF pitching if i use meter. if i go classic it will be AS for sure.

[abstraktum]

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Thank you. Are they exact TNK/Psychobulk?

Could you share some franchise stats (ERA, BB, K, etc)?

you can see them in the TNK/Psychobulk thread...my problem is still my hitting on all-star with these sliders...cpu throw strikeouts like crazy...i changed my timing to zone and practice this at the moment...after i get a better hitter i start my season new...i don´t want to have 10-20 strikeouts per game...they had to be like mine between 2 and 13

[Dumbangel67]

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Started a season with this last night. Finally, the CPU scored 4 runs in the top of the 9th to squeeze by and beat me 7-6. Comebacks do happen!!! I just hope the games stay relatively consistent. I'm impressed with this so far. Thanks guys for biting the bullet of your comfort zone to try something new.

[Heroesandvillains]

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Here's some of a PM I sent to Kearnzo. Normally, I never copy my personal private messages, but I didn't really see the need to write this stuff twice. LOL!:

"I think I'm settling on AS Default, minus Power (4) and Consistency (6).

I pitched another two absolute gems at 6/7...making it four consecutive. Add two from my brother, and that equals 6 tremendous pitching outings. Not unrealistic, for sure. But not promising either.

At 5/6, I re-played my game with Sabathia and he felt JUST like his real life counterpart. I struck out five of my first 6 outs, and he ended up giving up 2 runs over 7. 61% strikes.

Game two with Burnett...well, started well until a 5 run 5th. Tack on another 3 or 4 with Colone, and I lost big time. 9 runs, 10 hits, 8 K and 60% strikes.

Here's what I'm doing now:

I rarely reach into vibration territory. For pitches with less control/confidence anyway. On pitches with good or great confidence, the game allows me to vary my speeds/effort more. So then I can max out a changeup. Fortunately, with such high confidence, CPU hitters will chase these pitches. 2 of my first 3 K's with Sabathia were with higher effort changes...both were balls...but both were chased and missed.

Generally, unless the pitch has high confidence, I don't aim for the corners. I aim with "slight rumble"...getting a lot of the zone, and allow my pitcher's ratings to determine whether or not it's a meatball or a pitch on the black.

Combined with the advice you mentioned above (minimal effort in cold zones, higher effort in hot zones) this should help you out. I really hope this makes sense, as I find the system remarkably intuitive and lifelike this way. LET the ratings dictate outcomes, not what I was doing before: trying to paint or get too crafty in fear of a BB or hit."

Some sliders:
Human Control 5
Human Consistency 6
CPU Power 4
Fielder Run Speed 4
Fielder Arm Strength 4
Wind 4

Apart from my personal hitting sliders (Timing on HOF), and a few other Global sliders, everything else is at Default.