Guess Pitch - do you use it?

[moemoe24]

Quote: Originally Posted by Maynard

thats exactly the bottom line....no doubt about it. Look, i am not frowning upon guys who use this feature and i am not saying dont play the game in a way that makes you have fun and get your moneys worth. but if a true to life baseball experience is what your after, then using GP is not part of that scenerio. All those other settings u mentioned only matter if your using them to gain an unfair advantage...which is what GP gives the user, an unfair advantage. Instead of guessing that a FB is coming, why not just guess it in your head and swing if you get one? How is getting an indicator that tells you before the pitch is thrown that a FB is coming provide a fair or realistic game? It doesnt at all. Why even play the hitting portions of your game? One of the greatest things about bb is the hitter/pitcher matchup. How can that be fun if you know what pitch and location is coming? And even if you guessed wrong on a guy with 3 pitches then u just narrowed it down to 2 pitches. Or if a guy throws a FB change combo. U can guess change up low all game and never get beat by the speed differential and just time the FB and slider all day..... i could go on and on about why its not a fair or realistic feature, but that wont change the fact that guys use it and its in the game. But please dont makethe mistake of thinking your playing a sim game of BB. Like i said, if i turn on the indians game today and the pitchers are telling the batters what they are going to throw then its another story BTW, i am not talking about people who use the no feedback option since my understanding is that it wont give u an indicator, just a bonus if u guessed right

I can see either way of thinking on this. You can play like the guess pitch feature is like a real life batter guessing whats coming or you can just guess in your head whats coming without the feature.

But just because you play with it on doesnt mean you wont get realism or wont be realistic. If you play with it on and finish the year batting .265 with say 150 homeruns then it has played out realistic.

I like to play with it off and guess in my mind because to me, part of guessing is also being able to adjust if a different pitch is thrown from what you guessed. But to each his own...if I play with it off and finish the year batting .265 with 150 hr's and you play with it on and finish up the same way, then we have both gotten a realistic experience.

[Maynard]

Quote: Originally Posted by cardsleadtheway

Ask real players that steal signs (pretty much all of them) if it is fun to get a hit on a pitch you know is coming. .

thats not the same thing at all. A stealing signs feature would actually be alot of fun. But stealing signs happens with a runner on 2nd. Batters cant just steal signs at the plate

Quote: Originally Posted by cardsleadtheway

I also disagree with you that guess pitch is an unfair advantage, at least it isn't to me. I now hit better without it since I was swinging at stuff I shouldn't just because I guessed right. .

not to sound mean or anything, but your skill level is your issue. Without GP, u hit poorly, and because of that, u gain an advantage over the cpu by using GP....so now u hit better

Quote: Originally Posted by cardsleadtheway

What CB said about fun is spot on. If you don't think it represents real baseball, well that can be said about the entire game. I have played baseball my whole life and can't remember once batting from the third person view. The only way you can win the realistic argument is to turn the machine off, grab your bat and glove, and go play some real ball.

My opinion has NOTHING to do with having fun and enjoying the game. I have said that in just about every post i made in this thread.

As for your comment about playing real baseball....cmon dude. You have to ask yourself why u play any sports game....some people play them for a sim experience thats like the real thing.....if thats your goal, well then GP means your not achieving that goal

Quote: Originally Posted by moemoe24

But just because you play with it on doesnt mean you wont get realism or wont be realistic. If you play with it on and finish the year batting .265 with say 150 homeruns then it has played out realistic. .

i am not saying u wont get realistic results. Thats not even close to what i said. What i said was this.....

if you play with Guess Pitch indicators on then you are not playing a realistic sim style game of baseball. Why do i say that? Because in a real life game of baseball pitchers do not tell batters what they are going to throw or where they are going to throw it

if it makes the game more fun for people then use it....maybe u guys can get the devs to implement a feature that tells you when to swing the bat

[Braves Fan]

This is so silly, batter in real life guess pitches and pitch locations all the time. So they don't have bells and whistles if they guess right? So what. This is a video game that rewards you if you think along with the pitcher and guess right. I don't see what's so bad about that. It would be one thing if you were guaranteed to get a hit but you're not. Not every pitchers fastball is the same, so if you guess fastball correctly against a 97 MPH pitcher you are going to have to time it differently than you would a 90 MPH fastball.

You are hung up on this "realistic sim" stuff. The game is realistic even if you use guess pitch which you think is unrealistic. That's why this game is so great, there is something in it for everybody. If you get realistic results then it's realistic. If I play without guess pitch and never score and strike out 13 times a game that to me is not realistic and I'm going to get frustrated. We are not major league hitters, so what if we need a little help to get realistic results?

You also act like we know what's coming on every pitch. That's not the case at all, there are times where I'll have AB's where I never guess right and have to adjust accordingly. It's not like I get a fastball down the middle every single time. In fact sometimes I'll guess right and it'll be a ball and I have to take it.

If you don't want to play with it fine but don't look down on those that do.

[Maynard]

Quote: Originally Posted by Braves Fan

So they don't have bells and whistles if they guess right? So what. This is a video game that rewards you if you think along with the pitcher and guess right.

That the point right there....They dont have bells and whistles. YOU DO!
you know, you can still guess the pitch type and location without having the game tell you pre pitch.....u should try it some time. Its very rewarding. Here is how u do it. Turn guess pitch off, then think in your head a fastball. Now move the left stick to the location you think its going. Now wait for the pitch. If the pitcher threw a fastball to your location, push the button. You have now just guessed the pitch honestly

And for the 4th time.....When i say realistic and sim, i am not talking about the results you get in your games. Why do i have to keep saying the same thing over and over. If you are going to discuss something and quote me then at least read what i posted.

Quote: Originally Posted by Braves Fan

If you don't want to play with it fine but don't look down on those that do.

i never once said i frown on those that use it. Besides, what do you care what i think. I didnt pay for your game and my way of playing isnt in the rule book. Maybe next year the devs will put into the rules that Maynard says you cant use guess pitch. When that happens then you can care what i think. Until then, go play your game and have fun

sidenote: he was right, i do frown upon guys who use guess pitch

[cardsleadtheway]

Quote: Originally Posted by Maynard

thats not the same thing at all. A stealing signs feature would actually be alot of fun. But stealing signs happens with a runner on 2nd. Batters cant just steal signs at the plate not to sound mean or anything, but your skill level is your issue. Without GP, u hit poorly, and because of that, u gain an advantage over the cpu by using GP....so now u hit better My opinion has NOTHING to do with having fun and enjoying the game. I have said that in just about every post i made in this thread. As for your comment about playing real baseball....cmon dude. You have to ask yourself why u play any sports game....some people play them for a sim experience thats like the real thing.....if thats your goal, well then GP means your not achieving that goal

Ok I correct stealing signs comment (although you don't need a runner on second to steal signs) and replace it with tipping pitches. It happens all the time.

As for your skill comment, you obviously didn't read what I wrote or you wouldn't have said that my skill is better with GP on. I said that I sucked with using it. I don't use it and now I hit better. Exact opposite of what you said.

If I follow your logic, then there is nothing in this game that is a realistic sim. Batting from third person view gives you an unfair advantage. You don't get to see the plate at all when you swing the bat. Hell, you don't even have to swing a bat in this game, meaning pushing a button just isn't the same as having to swing a 2 pound piece of lumber. You also aren't going to throw out your back or obliques if you swing and miss. I mean where do you want to draw the line?

The other issue is how to pick up pitches on this game without GP? in MVP 05 they did the color thing. In real life you get the spin, grip, threads, etc. On this game you don't get any of that. Instead it is much more of a read and react. Now I am not a fan of the big flashing red on the screen, one reason why I stopped using it, but you can't come on here and state it isn't realistic when really the whole game isn't a realistic representation.

[countryboy]

You know, I said I was done, but there is something that I don't get Maynard. Why do you feel the need to point out to people they aren't playing realistically? Whats it to you? Why do you care? Does it make you feel as though you're better than someone simply because you can play a video game without assistance?

This thread started out asking who uses guess pitch and for some reason you felt the need to come in and alert anyone who uses it that they aren't playing realistically, and when they give reasons as to why they do and feel its fine, you feel the need to correct them. I simply don't get it man. How is someone playing the game their way impacting the way you play yours?

Seems to me that you would have far better things in your life to do then worry about someone believing they are playing a baseball game realistically by using guess pitch. But then again, maybe your life is just that shallow. And if so, then I truly feel sorry for you bro.

[Maynard]

Quote: Originally Posted by cardsleadtheway

Ok I correct stealing signs comment (although you don't need a runner on second to steal signs) and replace it with tipping pitches. It happens all the time. As for your skill comment, you obviously didn't read what I wrote or you wouldn't have said that my skill is better with GP on. I said that I sucked with using it. I don't use it and now I hit better. Exact opposite of what you said. If I follow your logic, then there is nothing in this game that is a realistic sim. Batting from third person view gives you an unfair advantage. You don't get to see the plate at all when you swing the bat. Hell, you don't even have to swing a bat in this game, meaning pushing a button just isn't the same as having to swing a 2 pound piece of lumber. You also aren't going to throw out your back or obliques if you swing and miss. I mean where do you want to draw the line? The other issue is how to pick up pitches on this game without GP? in MVP 05 they did the color thing. In real life you get the spin, grip, threads, etc. On this game you don't get any of that. Instead it is much more of a read and react. Now I am not a fan of the big flashing red on the screen, one reason why I stopped using it, but you can't come on here and state it isn't realistic when really the whole game isn't a realistic representation.

to the bolded portion, i misread what you posted originally. Sorry about that. To the rest of your post....i think your being ridiculous and i am not even wasting time commenting or replying to that because its obvious u dont follow my logic and i think i made my point....the point your trying to make is just silly

Quote: Originally Posted by countryboy

You know, I said I was done, but there is something that I don't get Maynard. Why do you feel the need to point out to people they aren't playing realistically? Whats it to you? Why do you care? Does it make you feel as though you're better than someone simply because you can play a video game without assistance? This thread started out asking who uses guess pitch and for some reason you felt the need to come in and alert anyone who uses it that they aren't playing realistically, and when they give reasons as to why they do and feel its fine, you feel the need to correct them. I simply don't get it man. How is someone playing the game their way impacting the way you play yours? Seems to me that you would have far better things in your life to do then worry about someone believing they are playing a baseball game realistically by using guess pitch. But then again, maybe your life is just that shallow. And if so, then I truly feel sorry for you bro.

Thanks countryboy, you have succeed and taking a friendly discussion about a topic and turning it into a personal attack on me because you dont like what I have said about a feature that you use.

instead of worrying about me and my life u should worry about why your ability or lack there of to discuss a topic. If you have something to say about the topic, then say it...but dont sit there and post that your done over and over only to keep posting and deleting and then decide to comment on my motives for posting my opinion. And then attack me personally in the process.

I have said nothing in this thread other than my opinion on the topic at hand. If you dont like my comments then that's your problem.

[countryboy]

Quote: Originally Posted by Maynard

Thanks countryboy, you have succeed and taking a friendly discussion about a topic and turning it into a personal attack on me because you dont like what I have said about a feature that you use. instead of worrying about me and my life u should worry about why your ability or lack there of to discuss a topic. If you have something to say about the topic, then say it...but dont sit there and post that your done over and over only to keep posting and deleting and then decide to comment on my motives for posting my opinion. And then attack me personally in the process. I have said nothing in this thread other than my opinion on the topic at hand. If you dont like my comments then that's your problem.

I'm not asking about the motives of your opinion. Your opinion is that GP is unrealistic..I understand and appreciate that.

I asked why you feel the need to continually tell people they are not playing the game realistically because they use guess pitch. You were the first to call people out by saying they are not playing realistically. Then went as far as to tell people to not pretend they are playing realistically because they use GP. So again I ask, why continue to do so? Why does it bother you so much that someone views using GP as being realistic?

I'm not searching for motive as if you have some agenda, I'm simply baffled why you feel the need to seemingly put people in their place for using GP.

But you don't have to answer, and you can continue to flip this on me, its cool.