Avoid Skewing Stats in Full Play Franchises?

[pokerplaya]

Quote: Originally Posted by Heroesandvillains

My write up is pretty extensive, but I will say this: Don't go into Classic expecting constant control. There are ways to neutralize the wildness, for sure, but even now I'll play games and walk 37 hitters. Or wait, was it 6 last night?... No, I'm pretty sure it was 37. Or at least it felt like it. It's all about confidence and pitch confidence. I've had games where I've walked 1 and struck out 14, and I've also had games where I've walked 9 and struck out 3. No other interface, to me, replicates this kind of diversity. In regards to Analog hitting, to me it's essentially a ratings based timing interface with essentially 2-3X the human input as Timing Only. But all in all, Timing Only and Analog hitting are very, very similar.

Well, once I sat down to play last night, I made the switch to Timing, and started up my franchise for real. I'm going to go with Timing/Pulse/Assist Fielding all on All-Star. Had a great game, and even though my K's were still a bit high, it felt very realistic. I wound up losing 3-2 in the opener to Boston. I believe they had 11 hits, I had 9. Verlander went 8 strong, gave a tie game at 2 to Balester in the bullpen, and he gave up a run. Nothing across in the ninth and 10 seasons of play starts off on a sour note.

When I was considering making the switch to Timing, I looked at it as I now have an extra few split seconds to read the pitch and make better decisions on borderline pitches. I already have a very solid eye for the strike zone, and this should just make me a better hitter.

Had three players with multi-hit games too, and I hadn't been getting any so far this year, so that was a bonus. I think I'm going to have a lot of fun with it, thanks again for all your input. Now, only if there was an actual franchise story forum. Guess I'll see ya in the Franchise Progress thread.

[seveb]

It depends on the experience you are looking for...If you want to jump into a franchise right away and are looking for good results, timing hitting and classic pitching at lower-mid difficulty levels will work for you. If part of your multi-year investment is climbing the learning curve, zone+analog with analog pitching on Legend will test you dearly...always and forever (quiet, you gifted ones).

I don't think this game is flawless, gameplay wise, but if you are looking for a setting that will give you good stats - regardless of your skill level - you will find it, and you will have a lot of fun. Unless you are a total outlier, good or bad, you will find a comfort zone that plays a great game of baseball for you.

Edit: what I mean is - realistic results are totally possible. How you set things up will take some time, but if you're going to play for 4 years, spend a month or so fiddling with your settings. You'll find something you like.

[pokerplaya]

Quote: Originally Posted by seveb

It depends on the experience you are looking for...If you want to jump into a franchise right away and are looking for good results, timing hitting and classic pitching at lower-mid difficulty levels will work for you. If part of your multi-year investment is climbing the learning curve, zone+analog with analog pitching on Legend will test you dearly...always and forever (quiet, you gifted ones). I don't think this game is flawless, gameplay wise, but if you are looking for a setting that will give you good stats - regardless of your skill level - you will find it, and you will have a lot of fun. Unless you are a total outlier, good or bad, you will find a comfort zone that plays a great game of baseball for you. Edit: what I mean is - realistic results are totally possible. How you set things up will take some time, but if you're going to play for 4 years, spend a month or so fiddling with your settings. You'll find something you like.

Thanks for your post! As far as Zone Plus, at nearly 34 years old I don't think I have the twitch reflexes any longer to maintain "sim" stats. I'm going to strike out too much, and then I'm going to strike out even more just because I'm pissed with that. It was the first place I went, I always want a good challenge, but I want it to be able to post mostly stats that I can look at and go "Yeah, I could see that happening" -- with the strange outlier year still POSSIBLE but rare... like "Where the hell did Jose Altuve come from?"

I've been franchising in MVP for years now, and have been playing baseball games since the days of Baseball Stars and Tony Larussa Baseball... so I've always had an aptitude for the games.. To be fair, I honestly think I'd be fine on Pure Analog, the only reason I did decide against it is because I feel that Timing will be far more ratings dependent and separate my players for me... to where I feel the difference between Miggy Cabrera and Ryan Raburn, big time. Timing is feeling great for that so far.

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Heroes:

I actually had taken your advice about the 4 consistency in one of the other threads, and I may wind up going to 3, but I want to see how the lower half of my rotation performs first. The Tigers do have 3 really quality starters, so I've got to see how well someone like Smyly pitches, or a Jacob Turner if I bring him up for a spot start.

I also dropped one click last night on Fielder Run Speed, Arm Strength, and Baserunner Speed all to 4 last night. I had pretty much seen that as a consensus slider change for more realism on XBH -- do you agree?

Thanks again for everyone's input!

[Heroesandvillains]

Quote: Originally Posted by pokerplaya

Heroes: I actually had taken your advice about the 4 consistency in one of the other threads, and I may wind up going to 3, but I want to see how the lower half of my rotation performs first. The Tigers do have 3 really quality starters, so I've got to see how well someone like Smyly pitches, or a Jacob Turner if I bring him up for a spot start.

I think this is a great idea. Go through the rotation at least twice unless your BB's are so incredibly down, that it's obvious consistency needs to change.

Your understanding of video baseball gaming is wonderful. What took you so long to post here? I see you have been a member awhile though. Anyway, I love your attitude and gaming IQ!

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I also dropped one click last night on Fielder Run Speed, Arm Strength, and Baserunner Speed all to 4 last night. I had pretty much seen that as a consensus slider change for more realism on XBH -- do you agree? Thanks again for everyone's input!

I personally do not. But that doesn't mean my opinion is correct.

For example, one of the most knowledgeable The Show players on the planet; MK Knight, at one point made the exact changes you did if I am not mistaken.

I've been on OS long enough to know that some very informed OS'ers were seeing too few XBH all around on Default sliders. But I also know a few that are like me and get plenty on all 5's.

I average almost 2 2B's per game. Some do on Default, some don't.

Just remember that dropping those sliders will in some way shape or form, increase BABIP. Not a lot so, just to be clear. Just so (though probably only within a matter of percentage points. You may no even notice it).

I hit usually in the mid .260's. I have been all year with my Yankees. Only recently did I reach my high water mark of .274.

But this will not last. It can't because I generally don't hit this good.

My only changes were:

Pitch Speed 3
Fielding Errors 6
SB Ability 4 (I think this slider MAY be reversed which is why I lowered it)
SB Frequency 8
Injuries 6 (sim at 5)

If you nail down your settings, and get enough games in to overcome learning curve, I think from THAT point you'll only need 20 or so games to accurately get an idea as to what (if any) changes need to be made.

[pokerplaya]

Quote: Originally Posted by Heroesandvillains

I think this is a great idea. Go through the rotation at least twice unless your BB's are so incredibly down, that it's obvious consistency needs to change. Your understanding of video baseball gaming is wonderful. What took you so long to post here? I see you have been a member awhile though. Anyway, I love your attitude and gaming IQ!

Well, I never had a PS3, so I never had the games since they've started coming out. I just bought my PS3 a few weeks ago, strictly for this game. Well, not strictly -- but I bought the game before I bought the system (3 days, but still!)

Quote: Originally Posted by heroesandvillains

I personally do not. But that doesn't mean my opinion is correct. For example, one of the most knowledgeable The Show players on the planet; MK Knight, at one point made the exact changes you did. I've been on OS long enough to know that some very informed OS'ers were seeing too few XBH all around on Default sliders. But I also know a few that are like me and get plenty on all 5's. I average almost 2 2B's per game. Some do on Default, some don't. Just remember that dropping those sliders will in some way shape or form, increase BABIP. Not a lot so, just to be clear. Just so (though probably only within a matter of percentage points. You may no even notice it). My only changes were: Pitch Speed 3 Fielding Errors 6 SB Ability 4 (I think this slider MAY be reversed which is why I lowered it) SB Frequency 8 Injuries 6 (sim at 5) If you nail down your settings, and get enough games in to overcome learning curve, I think from THAT point you'll only need 20 or so games to accurately get an idea as to what (if any) changes need to be made.

Well, I'm currently 0-4. I actually think my XBH are probably on point, but after reading threads I was taking a little better look at balls hit down the lines especially, and the speed at which the corner outfielders are able to cut the ball off. I didn't comment on it the other day, but I saw someone in another thread had pictures posted with outfielder positioning and even comparing it to true MLB game photos of outfielder positioning.

---- Franchise Notes:

I've been victimized mainly by my bullpen. Fister lost because of a lack of run support, but Scherzer had pitched a nice game and gave the ball to Benoit and he gave up a jack in the last game of the Boston series. Great low-scoring series though. 3-2, 3-2, 3-1. Then Tampa came to town and Porcello gave up 5 runs, 3 earned in 6 innings and we lost 7-2. I'm in an in-game save right now in Smyly's start in the 2nd inning. Started playing and realized I'd pass out before I could come close to finishing.

Not TOO worried about the offense, as I've faced 4 pretty high quality starters so far in Beckett, Buchholz, Lester, and Matt Moore.

--- My history on OS:

Yes, I've been here since 2004, was mainly a Madden and NHL slider maker and enthusiast. As far as baseball gaming, I've tried the 2k Series, and I go all the way back to Intellivision baseball, really. Can still remember playing MicroLeague baseball. I had always been interested in The Show, but I already had a 360 at that point and then I couldn't really justify buying the second system as the only exclusives I really wanted to play were The Show and Metal Gear.

When online poker was destroyed here in the US, I wound up selling my entire XBox package till I got back on my feet (I was a professional for over six years.) When I got my taxes this year, I decided I was getting the PS3 and The Show, and here I am.

So, that's probably why you see the high gaming IQ... I've been looking at the inner workings of sports games and how to make them play more realistically since the days of Sega Genesis. The original NHL Hockey and then NHLPA 93... John Madden Football and every incarnation since. Used to be the NBA Live series, then I became a crazy 2k NBA'er. Baseball from LaRussa, to High Heat.. from Triple Play to MVP (I was the highest ranked Triple Play Baseball player! ) 2K's baseball sucks so hard I've been playing MVP modified for years now. Amazing the work they did, but its nice to finally have a game that is from this decade for my baseball sim needs.

Anyways, sorry for the novel -- but you sounded curious. So, that's my history and why I haven't posted in this forum before. But now, ya'll got me, and I ain't going anywheres.

[Heroesandvillains]

I like the box score diversity you're seeing pitching-wise. Definitely keep on keeping on with Consistency where you have it another time through the rotation at least.

Maybe twice.

Your XBH numbers will tell you if you went to far on the 4's. As well as the cheapie singles. Give it 20 games or so.

Yeah, a friend of mine relies on online poker to feed his family. He works a minimum wage job, only to bust his but in the day time, to stay up way too late hoping to play a couple good hands to bring a decent salary home.

He said yesterday that a judge put a hold on the ruling while it faces appeal. So for now (according to him, I cannot verify this), as long as the site is legit and you properly claim your earnings (exceeding a certain amount), you can still win real life money.

Oh, and I like reading people's backgrounds. Thank you.

Keep us posted on your progress.

[pokerplaya]

Quote: Originally Posted by Heroesandvillains

I like the box score diversity you're seeing pitching-wise. Definitely keep on keeping on with Consistency where you have it another time through the rotation at least. Maybe twice. Your XBH numbers will tell you if you went to far on the 4's. As well as the cheapie singles. Give it 20 games or so. Yeah, a friend of mine relies on online poker to feed his family. He works a minimum wage job, only to bust his but in the day time, to stay up way too late hoping to play a couple good hands to bring a decent salary home. He said yesterday that a judge put a hold on the ruling while it faces appeal. So for now (according to him, I cannot verify this), as long as the site is legit and you properly claim your earnings (exceeding a certain amount), you can still win real life money. Oh, and I like reading people's backgrounds. Thank you. Keep us posted on your progress.

Yes, there are still sites where you can play poker, but I need volume of games. I played 20 tables at a time, and where is available now do not have anywhere close to the player pools necessary to make it a viable living for me. I am still waiting for PokerStars/Full Tilt to settle, as Stars is buying FTP, assuming their liability, and paying off the US players.

Box score diversity has been nice, absolutely. Just waiting for Austin Jackson to stop striking out, he's already struck out like 11 times. LOL.

[Heroesandvillains]

Quote: Originally Posted by pokerplaya

Yes, there are still sites where you can play poker, but I need volume of games. I played 20 tables at a time, and where is available now do not have anywhere close to the player pools necessary to make it a viable living for me. I am still waiting for PokerStars/Full Tilt to settle, as Stars is buying FTP, assuming their liability, and paying off the US players.

Good to know. I'm going from 70 hours a week to about 25 or so soon. May have to research this a little.

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Box score diversity has been nice, absolutely. Just waiting for Austin Jackson to stop striking out, he's already struck out like 11 times. LOL.

Nothing unrealistic about that! Jackson is prone to the SO! LOL!