Performance-Based Player Progression (Official Thread)

[WayOfMarkus]

Has anyone noticed Beltre's regression? He's rated a 93 overall which is the best 3rd basemen in the game. I have him in one of my fantasy draft franchises, and he's already regressing. Some stats are dropping, but he's hitting around .309 with around 9 homeruns and 20 RBI's in 2 months... I don't get it.... As if on next years game he won't be rated as one of the best 3B's again.. I'm at a loss for words.

[WayOfMarkus]

Quote: Originally Posted by Potatoes002

It frustrates me that with the stock roster there is still some high rated guys in their late 30's, but with how drastic the regression system is for old players, this isn't possible in future seasons. I wish it was toned down with a patch, and regression could be slowed with high performance on the field. Having RA Dickey fall off a cliff a month into the season makes no sense to me.

Lol, If the computer has Dickey, IDC if he regresses aha, I hate hitting against his stupid knuckleball, especially on HOF. It's incredibly annoying to hit.

[Knight165]

Again....I think some of you have mistaken ideas about performance based progression.
It's merely a small factor in the overall scheme of progression and regression.

Potential and age are still by far the overriding factors in progression.
Performance will aid in growth for a younger player if he say leads the league in homers or BA.....his power/contact will benefit slightly more than his "regular" progression.
Age(OLD) is still the biggest factor in ANY movement on the ratings scale. Nothing(performance or potential) will stop it....but it(both) will slow it somewhat.

....and if your player is performing at a high level....who cares what his ratings are?

I've still got Eric Young Jr. on the Mets in my carry over franchise. He is hitting .479 in mid May with his contact ratings in the 50's. WTF do I care what his contact says if he's raking for me?
Ride that horse until he drops dead and move on.

M.K.
Knight165

[Potatoes002]

Quote: Originally Posted by Knight165

....and if your player is performing at a high level....who cares what his ratings are? I've still got Eric Young Jr. on the Mets in my carry over franchise. He is hitting .479 in mid May with his contact ratings in the 50's. WTF do I care what his contact says if he's raking for me? Ride that horse until he drops dead and move on. M.K. Knight165

I can perform well with some of the aging veterans, but there comes a point when they lose way too much of their ability to be effective. I mean Fernando Rodney has below 50 on his control before one season is even over.

I understand that nothing stops regression, but the current system confuses me. Are we really suppose to believe guys like Beltre, Dickey, Rodney, Ortiz, etc are going to be rated 20+ rating worse in MLB 16 The Show? No we aren't, why the regression is so dramatic for every player is beyond me.

[Knight165]

Quote: Originally Posted by Potatoes002

I can perform well with some of the aging veterans, but there comes a point when they lose way too much of their ability to be effective. I mean Fernando Rodney has below 50 on his control before one season is even over. I understand that nothing stops regression, but the current system confuses me. Are we really suppose to believe guys like Beltre, Dickey, Rodney, Ortiz, etc are going to be rated 20+ rating worse in MLB 16 The Show? No we aren't, why the regression is so dramatic for every player is beyond me.

First....did you just ask and answer your own question?!!

Now....I've done quite a few test sims....NO PLAYER loses 20 points in any category. Probably because of performance progression. I think the most I've seen was 14 points in any one attribute and most older players are much less than that......sub 10 for most.

I guess for guys who are consistently getting hung up on attributes/overalls and have a mindset that 70 or 60 in those categories is not good...then this is going to keep bothering you.
But if you really look at attributes and their performances based on those numbers you'll see that a player can contribute and even still play at a high level with some attributes from 60 -79....

Of all those players you listed, who is ripping it up right now in the MLB? I know it's only about 1/6 of the season in.....

M.K.
Knight165

[Knight165]

Just for the record......it's not that I'm in love with all older players losing points.....but I just don't think it's bad...and not as bad as some are making it out to be because you can still get production from SOME of these guys and that at least makes it interesting and in line with what is happening IRL IMO.

M.K.
Knight165

[Rattler17]

Quote: Originally Posted by Potatoes002

I can perform well with some of the aging veterans, but there comes a point when they lose way too much of their ability to be effective. I mean Fernando Rodney has below 50 on his control before one season is even over. I understand that nothing stops regression, but the current system confuses me. Are we really suppose to believe guys like Beltre, Dickey, Rodney, Ortiz, etc are going to be rated 20+ rating worse in MLB 16 The Show? No we aren't, why the regression is so dramatic for every player is beyond me.

Being a big Toronto baseball fan I have watched every one of those players you mentioned. For Rodney I am shocked he has a 50 in control because that guy struggles to hit a strikezone on most pitches given that his release and his speed are so intense. Dickey is being smacked all over the park this year and I would completely agree that his stats in this game perhaps start a bit to high. I don't remember people burning up the forums when Wakefield's ratings bombed in the show when he hit 40. Ortiz has been on a decline for some time now and is probably very close to retirement any ways.

I think some people should look at the overall ratings of some guys and see that in fact they don't need to be all that high for them to perform tops in the league. I think there comes a point when the ratings don't mean much any ways. I hit more home runs with middle of the pack guys then I ever could with someone like Bautista or Encarnacion. I think it might have been Paul Goldschmidt I saw who despite having some impressive power numbers only had a contact rating of like high 60's to mid 70's.

[Potatoes002]

Quote: Originally Posted by Knight165

Now....I've done quite a few test sims....NO PLAYER loses 20 points in any category. Probably because of performance progression. I think the most I've seen was 14 points in any one attribute and most older players are much less than that......sub 10 for most.

This is completely different from my experience, I have played only one full season but it was much more drastic for me.

Quote: Originally Posted by Knight165

I guess for guys who are consistently getting hung up on attributes/overalls and have a mindset that 70 or 60 in those categories is not good...then this is going to keep bothering you. But if you really look at attributes and their performances based on those numbers you'll see that a player can contribute and even still play at a high level with some attributes from 60 -79....

I've had great success with lower rated players, this is isn't my main concern. I'd just like to be able to play with the older players for at least a whole season with their ratings similar to the stock roster. I get that when players age they will sometimes completely breakdown.....but not all of them. I don't enjoy how unrealistic regression is in this game, but on the flipside I think the progression and development system is really well done.

Quote: Originally Posted by Knight165

Of all those players you listed, who is ripping it up right now in the MLB? I know it's only about 1/6 of the season in..... M.K. Knight165

We aren't even a month into the season, and the regression has happened to many more players than just those couple of guys. My point I was trying to make is unlike the stock roster who has a large handful of veteran players around 85ovr+, with the regression system in place this doesn't seem possible in Franchise modes.