Blatant AI Cheating

[Biizz713]

I want to paint a picture for you. I'm up about 8-0 at one point in this game, the Rockies manage to cut the deficit to 9-8. They're hitting HR's on low and away pitches on the black, they're fouling off every pitch when down in the count, and getting base hits on pitches outside the zone. Cool, whatever, I don't care. Sometimes these things happen, but it's not like i'm going to lose or anything right?

Bottom of the 9th, 2 outs, the batter grounds to third for what should be an easy game ending out. Kyle Seager air mails it into the stands. You know what? Cool, his throwing ratings aren't very good so it isn't unreasonable. It's not ideal but you know what? I'm not tripping, im still going to win. To this point I have yet to get mad at all, everything that is happening seems really fishy but screw it, sometimes stuff just doesn't go your way. Then this happens:

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So you mean to tell me with the game on the line a bug i've never seen or heard of before occurs to make me lose? Nope, i'm not going for it. I think this ending is completely predetermined from when I was up by 8. It's all just way too convenient.

This is a meaningless DD game grinding innings against the CPU on all-star, i'm not invested in it in the slightest. I don't care that they came back and won, I do care HOW they came back and won. I really wish sports games would stop the AI cheating, it makes me feel like the whole thing is illegitimate. How can I take the game serious when I know that something like this can happen?

This is the second time today i've lost a game on a glitch. Earlier I had a baserunner go from 2nd to home for a game winner on a single to left field. I pre-loaded home and my LF proceeds to pick up the ball, turn towards second base, and pump fake the throw to second before firing home less than a second late to catch the runner at home.

I want AI that challenges me, not cheats me out of wins arbitrarily.

[strawberryshortcake]

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In-game-saves. Sometimes you just have to save and exit the game to create an in-game-save bookmark point so you could restart playing at that specific point in case anything suspiciously fishy happens after that save point.

I now look at in-game-save as not only when you need to leave the house, but to prevent fishy stuff from happening. We don't want to use that forbidden word but sometimes things happen that just seems odd.

[mvp05]

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I really don't want to believe theres a AI comeback cheat or its scripted but been playing mlb the show since 08 and im not sure. Every time I have the lead or a no hitter crazy things begin to happen and end up losing.

The most recent
I was winning 4-0 with marlins Chen was pitching perfect and then all of a sudden two hits on low away pitches and the Cameron Maybin a three run shot??? PWR against lefties 31?? then kinsler hits an opposite field homerun where he chases the pitch away low in the zone with an awkward swing. His PWR agains lefties 42? All in one inning no outs. I know kinsler got some pop but he chased it out of the zone.

I ended up losing on a walk off homer run by upton.

At least if the AI scored 2 runs or one run every other inning itll be ok but its like right after i get a big lead they catch up next inning. Its hard to get leads in HOF i dont wanna feel like im being cheated a win.

Still love the game honestly lol

[CujoMatty]

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This community hates these threads and I'm sure it will get locked down but I wish it wouldn't. I love these threads because every so often I feel like the game "cheats" and I want to vent. Does it cheat? Who knows and I'm willing to believe the devs when they say it doesn't.

I can't deny though that I've seen some serious shenanigans happen at very bad and unfortunate times. I have a video I'll post when I get home if this threads still open that put me on nuclear watch for about half a day.

The truth is there was things I probably could've done to help prevent or minimize the horrific results. I can say I've never loved a game so much that makes me want to punch myself in the face till my hand breaks sometimes.

Hopefully things can remain civil in here so we have somewhere to vent our frustrations. Maybe call it the therapy thread.

[aarondmsu]

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That's an absurd bug to be sure, but I don't think it's evidence of cheating. I really just think it's coincidental. If the game wanted to cheat, wouldn't it just have the batter hit a walk off?

[kenp86]

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Playing against the Mets with the cubs, extra innings. Can't remember which met is batting but it's a 3-2 count and he FOUL tips a ball off my catchers mask. Ball goes to back stop. I think nothing of it until the camera doesn't change and he's running to second. Wtf!!! Ended up being the tying run in a game I lost in 18

[Aensland]

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I try to not think the game cheats but funny things like errors, pitchers forgetting how to throw strikes, hitters hitting like Tony Gwynn, etc. likes to happen in later innings, especially the 9th. I rememeber a while back someone posted a graph showing runs scored per innings and the 9th being one of the most frequent scoring innings in The Show. But in RL it's normally one of the least likely innings to score.

[esham313]

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I try to not think the game cheats but funny things like errors, pitchers forgetting how to throw strikes, hitters hitting like Tony Gwynn, etc. likes to happen in later innings, especially the 9th. I rememeber a while back someone posted a graph showing runs scored per innings and the 9th being one of the most frequent scoring innings in The Show. But in RL it's normally one of the least likely innings to score.

Unless you're the Detroit Tigers lol seems they always give up tons of runs in 8th and 9th in real life.

[Grinder12000]

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I played online poker 20 hours a week for about 7 years and there was always "this site cheats" threads. In reality it's because you played SO MANY hands you see a LOT of weirdness.

Back to The Show - why would they put AI cheat into a program and perhaps you see these things as being cheat when they are really just an anomaly that because you see so many games oddities happen. People only remember the BAD things that happen.

When something happens that is GOOD, it's good luck, when it's bad it's cheating.

[Knight165]

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I played online poker 20 hours a week for about 7 years and there was always "this site cheats" threads. In reality it's because you played SO MANY hands you see a LOT of weirdness.

Back to The Show - why would they put AI cheat into a program and perhaps you see these things as being cheat when they are really just an anomaly that because you see so many games oddities happen. People only remember the BAD things that happen.

When something happens that is GOOD, it's good luck, when it's bad it's cheating.

Absolutely.
ZERO reason to put in anything like that...and there isn't.
IMO...just weak reasoning for bad losses or in game glitches.
There are certainly instances where a strange occurrence(glitch) will cost you a game.
But to think they coded the game to do that is even more ludicrous than when thinking it in games that were just bad losses.

M.K.
Knight165

[HypoLuxa13]

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Oh, boy, another one of these threads. I'm not going to say anything about if I think there is such a thing as AI cheating or comeback code. People will believe what they want to believe.

I'm just going to say it is important to also remember that the AI can learn in this game. Both hitting and pitching. If your pitch selection and locations get too predictable, the more batters you face, the more likely they are to start having success against your tactics. The AI is smart. Just like us as users can swing normal, contact or power, when the game is on the line, the CPU can swing for contact and foul off pitches too. And we are all guilty of leaving our starting pitchers in too long often times. We may be rolling with our start, but just like in real life, the third time through an opponents batting order is much more difficult than the first and second. That's a statistical fact. Opponents AVG, OBP, and SLG all go up each time through the batting order for most pitchers.

[CujoMatty]

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Absolutely.
ZERO reason to put in anything like that...and there isn't.
IMO...just weak reasoning for bad losses or in game glitches.
There are certainly instances where a strange occurrence(glitch) will cost you a game.
But to think they coded the game to do that is even more ludicrous than when thinking it in games that were just bad losses.

M.K.
Knight165

Are we talking about a glitch or cheating? There's plenty of reasons why you would have the ai cheat. Its a simple but lazy way to make a game seem more challenging or difficult. NBA ballers was notorious for ai shenanigans. not saying that at all is happening here though.
If we are talking about a glitch ya I can't see any reasoning why that would purposely happen and seems like a massive reach by the OP. like someone else said making the CPU just auto home run would be more logical.

[riichiieriich]

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There;s no doubt in my mind that there is some sort of momentum or comeback logic sometimes, just to spice things up. Routine things like fly balls and grounders get flubbed and the computer starts to have the batting eye of prime Miggy with players that aren't that good at the plate. It's happened too many times and at the most convenient time for the computer to make an improbable comeback.

[Ghost Of The Year]

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To the OP:
How often does the AI cheat? Every game? Every game you lose?
Every other game? 1 out 5? 1 out 10? Or 20 or 100?
I would think if the AI cheats, we might never win the WS, let alone make the postseason.

I believe we all know where this thread is headed, so I'll get my 2 cents in before the lock.

[Knight165]

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Are we talking about a glitch or cheating? There's plenty of reasons why you would have the ai cheat. Its a simple but lazy way to make a game seem more challenging or difficult. NBA ballers was notorious for ai shenanigans. not saying that at all is happening here though.
If we are talking about a glitch ya I can't see any reasoning why that would purposely happen and seems like a massive reach by the OP. like someone else said making the CPU just auto home run would be more logical.

Both are nonsense as a topic for programming in the Show.

M.K.
Knight165