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  • Padgoi
    Banned
    • Oct 2008
    • 1873

    #1

    I am officially sick and tired of the patches screwing up gameplay!

    Every year we get patches that are supposed to FIX gameplay, but every SINGLE year they seem to have an adverse effect. For example, what i've noticed this year:

    - When game was first released, we were all RANTING AND RAVING about how well the catchers were blocking pitches in the dirt. Now it's miserable again. Slider makers have to lower pitch control to have any semblance of unintentional walks, but the wild pitches are out of control because the catchers have stopped blocking them again. I've averaging 2-4 wild pitches per game again. What is going on?

    - The lag?? Before the patches, the game was so smooth. I noticed the last two days, OFFLINE the game is considerably lagging and skipping.

    - Throw hesitation is back. Again, before the patches, the fielders seemed to play with some sense of urgency. Now they're slow again, getting stuck in the wall animation, hop skipping before throwing, etc. I thought the rainbow throws were gone, but sure enough, happened last game, grounder to third, third basemen charges, makes lollipop throw to first, safe. This NEVER happened before patches. Now it's back.

    - Another thing we've been complaining about for years is the deflections off the pitcher. Again, when the game was first released, these seemed to be really toned down to a somewhat realistic amount. Now they're out of control again. I am seeing 2+ deflections per game off the pitcher again. Do the developers not realize this doesn't happen that often?

    - Deflections off bases - this almost NEVER happens in real life. Yes, on occasion. In the show? It's been happening maybe once every 2-3 games and some of the deflections literally bounce over fielders heads. Real ball physics?

    The patches seem to fix one thing and TOTALLY destroy other things, making the damn game play like previous years games. Must they continue to throw out patches that tweak gameplay to make the game play like last year and the year before?
    Last edited by Padgoi; 04-24-2018, 01:58 PM.
  • TheWarmWind
    MVP
    • Apr 2015
    • 2620

    #2
    Re: I am officially sick and tired of the patches screwing up gameplay!

    You know there is some validity to this when I peek in here just because I was worried that another patch dropped and changed the feel of the game again, just when I was finally closing in on locking down my sliders.

    My understanding was that there was a lot of complaints on TSN about the online gameplay this year, and unfortunately us offline enthusiasts are second class citizens.

    I'm traditionally a show defender but yeah, I dread patches.

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    • Williemayshayes00
      Banned
      • Mar 2018
      • 93

      #3
      Re: I am officially sick and tired of the patches screwing up gameplay!

      So the gameplay is screwed like last year? I haven’t even started my franchise yet. What are these guys doing?

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      • SmashMan
        All Star
        • Dec 2004
        • 9712

        #4
        Re: I am officially sick and tired of the patches screwing up gameplay!

        Originally posted by Williemayshayes00
        So the gameplay is screwed like last year? I haven’t even started my franchise yet. What are these guys doing?
        You should probably play for yourself and see how you like it instead of assuming it's screwed based on one forum post.

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        • Padgoi
          Banned
          • Oct 2008
          • 1873

          #5
          Re: I am officially sick and tired of the patches screwing up gameplay!

          Originally posted by Williemayshayes00
          So the gameplay is screwed like last year? I haven’t even started my franchise yet. What are these guys doing?
          The gameplay isn't screwed. In my opinion, the recent patch has changed the gameplay that are bringing up legacy issues. The game is still better than previous years iterations, but I'm sick and tired of certain legacy issues cropping up after patches. It seems like every damn year they market this game as a sim and the release is great, but the patches cater to the online community, which unfortunately seem to be more interested in an arcade experience. The rocket bunt issue still hasn't been addressed. Why? Oh, because it was INTENDED to be that way. So they INTENDED to have absolutely unrealistic rocket bunts in their sim game so that the online cheesers couldn't take advantage of them. Sounds like a gameplay issue they can't fix . . . so they totally break it.
          Last edited by Padgoi; 04-24-2018, 02:34 PM.

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          • doubledeuceR6
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            • Apr 2011
            • 1948

            #6
            Re: I am officially sick and tired of the patches screwing up gameplay!

            I 've seen an up tick in pitcher deflections as well. I've never once seen a base deflection though.

            One thing that really erks me about the rocket bunts is that the CPU has the ability to drop a realistic bunt and beat it out. It effectively takes a realistic part of the game out of the game. The fact that I can't drop a bunt with Delino Deshields and have no chance of beating it out is a shame.
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            • p00p1
              Pro
              • Aug 2002
              • 987

              #7
              Re: I am officially sick and tired of the patches screwing up gameplay!

              I haven't seen a bunt for a hit yet this year, other than when the 3B attempts to barehand the ball and misses it. I've also never seen the CPU successfully sacrifice a runner over other than squeeze plays, it's an automatic force at 2B.

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              • catfish9-5
                Rookie
                • Dec 2007
                • 302

                #8
                Re: I am officially sick and tired of the patches screwing up gameplay!

                I’ve noticed all the above a lot more recently but not as much as last year and it is frustrating. I just hope the full swing bunts dribbling around plate don’t pop up. If so, then 17 has made its way back into my system.


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                • forme95
                  MVP
                  • Nov 2013
                  • 3118

                  #9
                  Re: I am officially sick and tired of the patches screwing up gameplay!

                  Originally posted by Padgoi
                  The gameplay isn't screwed. In my opinion, the recent patch has changed the gameplay that are bringing up legacy issues. The game is still better than previous years iterations, but I'm sick and tired of certain legacy issues cropping up after patches. It seems like every damn year they market this game as a sim and the release is great, but the patches cater to the online community, which unfortunately seem to be more interested in an arcade experience. The rocket bunt issue still hasn't been addressed. Why? Oh, because it was INTENDED to be that way. So they INTENDED to have absolutely unrealistic rocket bunts in their sim game so that the online cheesers couldn't take advantage of them. Sounds like a gameplay issue they can fix . . . so they totally break it.


                  I have to 100% agree about the bunting. Yes, you can still lay an effective bunt as long as you know exactly when to do it. Perfect pitch, perfect LS, perfect hit/release the triangle. Now I'm not saying it should be hit triangle and lay the perfect bunt, but making sure the planets are aligned to get a bunt down seems a little much. Let the online guys figure out how to stop it or accept it, rather then making us SIM guys have to deal with it.
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                  • Padgoi
                    Banned
                    • Oct 2008
                    • 1873

                    #10
                    Re: I am officially sick and tired of the patches screwing up gameplay!

                    Originally posted by p00p1
                    I haven't seen a bunt for a hit yet this year, other than when the 3B attempts to barehand the ball and misses it. I've also never seen the CPU successfully sacrifice a runner over other than squeeze plays, it's an automatic force at 2B.
                    I actually had a bunt single with Greg Bird last game. It was a rocket bunt, but the first basemen had to slide over towards second to field it and Bird beat the pitcher to the bag.

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                    • BigOscar
                      MVP
                      • May 2016
                      • 2971

                      #11
                      Re: I am officially sick and tired of the patches screwing up gameplay!

                      Originally posted by forme95
                      I have to 100% agree about the bunting. Yes, you can still lay an effective bunt as long as you know exactly when to do it. Perfect pitch, perfect LS, perfect hit/release the triangle. Now I'm not saying it should be hit triangle and lay the perfect bunt, but making sure the planets are aligned to get a bunt down seems a little much. Let the online guys figure out how to stop it or accept it, rather then making us SIM guys have to deal with it.
                      Yup, if hitting a homer is significantly easier than laying down a bunt, you've got a pretty big problem

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                      • RogerDodger
                        MVP
                        • Sep 2016
                        • 1082

                        #12
                        Re: I am officially sick and tired of the patches screwing up gameplay!

                        Originally posted by Padgoi
                        The gameplay isn't screwed. In my opinion, the recent patch has changed the gameplay that are bringing up legacy issues. The game is still better than previous years iterations, but I'm sick and tired of certain legacy issues cropping up after patches. It seems like every damn year they market this game as a sim and the release is great, but the patches cater to the online community, which unfortunately seem to be more interested in an arcade experience. The rocket bunt issue still hasn't been addressed. Why? Oh, because it was INTENDED to be that way. So they INTENDED to have absolutely unrealistic rocket bunts in their sim game so that the online cheesers couldn't take advantage of them. Sounds like a gameplay issue they can't fix . . . so they totally break it.
                        Yep, I think you are spot on with bunts. In fact, when I've checked my swing on a pitch it's been more effective than a bunt would be.

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                        • jeffy777
                          MVP
                          • Jan 2009
                          • 3322

                          #13
                          Re: I am officially sick and tired of the patches screwing up gameplay!

                          I feel like I'm cheating every time the CPU bunts against me and it's an easy out if they're going for a hit or a double play if they're going for a sac.

                          Wish there was some way to fix this with sliders since it seems like it'll never be fixed otherwise.

                          (I know using a "house rule" is the best workaround, but it's too easy to ignore that in the heat of the moment during a close game)

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                          • Armor and Sword
                            The Lama
                            • Sep 2010
                            • 21790

                            #14
                            Re: I am officially sick and tired of the patches screwing up gameplay!

                            Great article here on the state of bunting in MLB today.

                            Home runs are at a historic high, and bunt hits are way down. The former is responsible for the latter, right? Perhaps. Or maybe something else has changed that means bunt hits aren't just out of fashion again -- they're going extinct.


                            But I do wish they calmed the rocket bunts down a little. It was a horrible nerf to offset online cheesers.

                            Now don't get me wrong. Pre MLB 17 bunts were freaking automatic by anyone. It should never be that way. Bunt ratings matter big time and I have practiced the timing of laying down good bunts with the properly rated players who should be bunting (plus the quirks play factor too).

                            Other than that though? This game is playing fantastic offline. I don't agree that the patches released have negatively affected game play. It's the best it has ever been for any console baseball game ever made IMO.
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                            • Baseball Purist
                              Rookie
                              • May 2010
                              • 438

                              #15
                              Re: I am officially sick and tired of the patches screwing up gameplay!

                              Originally posted by Armor and Sword
                              Great article here on the state of bunting in MLB today.

                              Home runs are at a historic high, and bunt hits are way down. The former is responsible for the latter, right? Perhaps. Or maybe something else has changed that means bunt hits aren't just out of fashion again -- they're going extinct.


                              But I do wish they calmed the rocket bunts down a little. It was a horrible nerf to offset online cheesers.

                              Now don't get me wrong. Pre MLB 17 bunts were freaking automatic by anyone. It should never be that way. Bunt ratings matter big time and I have practiced the timing of laying down good bunts with the properly rated players who should be bunting (plus the quirks play factor too).

                              Other than that though? This game is playing fantastic offline. I don't agree that the patches released have negatively affected game play. It's the best it has ever been for any console baseball game ever made IMO.

                              I agree. The game is playing fantastic right now, but i deff understand were the OP is coming from. Last year really tormented me with how much things changed between patches. Im locked in right now and dont anticipate downloading any more patches. My only gripe would be fielding stills needs work. Im not seeing any of the bunting issues.

                              OP have you thought about turning off auto updates? I know its not ideal, but if youre an offline franchise go it may help. Ive settled on this approach until i see more opinions on any future patches.

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