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Old 04-16-2021, 09:55 AM   #1
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As someone who loves and plays this mode a ton, this doesn't sound great to me at all. He also mentions a few other issues, but they all seem to stem from the new DD integration:

https://www.reddit.com/r/MLBTheShow/...on_rtts_is_in/

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Now, whenever creating an RTTS save, it is now your Ballplayer being the one that takes the spotlight of the mode. That means that rather than the possibility of making multiple unique characters and have fun in essentially a sandbox of a baseball world, you are now limited to just your singular ballplayer that's tied to your profile when entering RTTS. You can still start separate saves to try other positions, but they will always be tied to the appearance and name of your pre-existing ballplayer.

You can no longer have the opportunity of going back and forth between a save of a short, speedy, Brazillian centerfielder to a save where you have a 6'7 flamethrower Texan racking up 300 strikeouts a year. You only have your one ballplayer, possibly playing different positions for different teams if you do make multiple saves, but any of the magic of creating new characters and molding your own history has been completely lost. The entire game mode of RTTS feels like it's been completely relegated to just the backdrop for yet another Diamond Dynasty feature, which I think genuinely ruins the entire game of MLB The Show 21 for some people.
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With the early release of MLB The Show 21, the issues of Ballplayer integration were pretty apparent, which already is a huge blow for the game mode alone. However, the forced inclusion of Ballplayers was only of many changes SDS made to the mode. Remember, playing the Draft Showcase games, getting drafted, and the pretty lame narrative that came attached with it eventually? All of that has been almost completely cut from the game. The start of RTTS is now completely different, with the original narrative and previous systems in place being gutted to make way for the new narrative.

The initial setting of the beginning of the story, like I said, has been cut. You no longer play any draft showcase or even go through any draft screen. You instead immediately start RTTS through a generic conversation with your coach about what you want your secondary position to be and what team you want to play for.

Wait, Secondary Position? Well, If you haven't tried it yet, you might be confused, but SDS has somehow gone even further than the relatively mediocre narrative pushed the last few years by barraging you with the new story: You're a Two-Way player. Being a Two-Way player is not just an extra option for you to choose to play, like possibly an archetype with how previous games worked, it is an actual forced part of your career when you begin RTTS. While the other narrative was super lame it was also pretty easy to ignore and forget about, but this new one is far from subtle. You're drafted because of your potential as a two-way, podcasters and commentators will have audio clips talking about you as a two-way player. Two-way players are cool, don't get me wrong, but why can I not just play the actual RTTS in the traditional way that had already existed. It's only after a few minor league games and multiple conversations of you choosing to complain about not wanting to be a two-way player, you finally actually get put into the position you wanted to start your career in.

With the draft being gone, you are instead shown a short cutscene of that team you chose calling you, paired with a fake MLB Network Show talking about you being drafted and being a two-way player. These are actual real recorded people talking in an actual MLB Network studio though, so they have to talk in a vague and completely nonspecific way when raving about you, because there is only one recording of this, not multiple depending on if your draft rank had varied or if you were a different style of player because there is no draft anymore or any styles of players. Have fun starting new saves and seeing the exact same recording again, which is already something most won't do because you can't have multiple unique characters.

With Archetypes being gone from RTTS, you can now only define your playstyle via the Ballplayer perks previously mentioned. You still train and level up your attributes like previous games, but now everyone has the same hard caps imposed on them, with only the perks that have to be obtained via grinding or the market actually molding your attributes in a meaningful way, like emphasizing you as a contact hitter, or vice versa. You can't make an elite superstar player, at least not through traditionally training and spending time in RTTS, because you have hard caps keeping you at a relatively mediocre level, and can only have a few specific attributes boosted with the perks at a time while the others stay exactly where they are, essentially bringing back the hard caps of MLB The Show 18 albeit configurable on the fly.

These hard caps existing are probably the biggest spit in RTTS players faces because they exist for an obvious reason: To balance them for use in Diamond Dynasty. In the most depressing fashion, SDS has taken away the freedom players had to mold their characters and also deck them out in a single-player experience in a way to direct all attention to its use for Diamond Dynasty. They've even taken away the ability to create a Knuckleballer, because like before, that would obviously be an issue in Diamond Dynasty. This is no longer a SandBox where you can go at it with unique and differing characters and really make varying characters you can feel attached to, but instead a glorified training ground for a Diamond Dynasty feature with how SDS has designed it this year.



As a long-time MLB The Show Fan, it's honestly one of the most ridiculous changes SDS could have made to the game in general, and I feel that this has gone way too far in alienating single-player fans that also paid full price for the game. Why can we not play RTTS as an open and single-player experience? Why does the experience need to be integrated with Diamond Dynasty? Why would you seemingly continue to add more and more roadblocks and restrictions to one of the only sports career modes that had thrived without it, and how could you justify removing content that already existed in the game like the Draft Showcase and replacing it with such a mediocre and short narrative? If I wanted a forced mediocre storyline for career mode, I would have played Madden or FIFA, and at least those games have actual cutscenes, voice acting, and consistency.

I'm sure MLB The Show 21 will have its good parts as well, especially for those interested in the Online Content, but the blatant gutting of RTTS to encompass it in SDS's online vision is sickening to me.

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Old 04-16-2021, 10:07 AM   #2
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Agree 100%.

Online card collecting modes have officially ruined all 3 major sports games’ single player career modes.

MUT, DD, and everything that 2K has done recently can go die in a fire for all I care.

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Edit: Freaking brutal SDS.
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I only play RTTS and hate these changes. I really wish there was the option to switch back to training points and not have RTTS tied to DD.
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Two hours into trying the game. Literally took the day off knowing my kids would be at school and I could play all day.....and I hate it. I honestly don't know if I'll even keep playing the game. I used to live for the RTTS mode and this is just awful. I can't even figure out how to name my player so it's not Joe Random
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Two hours into trying the game. Literally took the day off knowing my kids would be at school and I could play all day.....and I hate it. I honestly don't know if I'll even keep playing the game. I used to live for the RTTS mode and this is just awful. I can't even figure out how to name my player so it's not Joe Random
From reading other sites, you have to set up your "Ballplayer" before starting RttS.
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I just can't get over how more and more deflated I'm getting as a long time fan of SDS and The Show. They had me as a yearly day one buyer for years now, ever since Y2Y saves were introduced. Every bit of impressions or news I'm seeing roll in about 21 has just made me so so glad I did not jump in this year.

Losing Y2Y saves was already my point of "well, no purchase from me until that's back." Then I had a week or so where I was feeling the urge to get it anyway, rationalizing it by saying "Well maybe I'll play RTTS on the PS5 version and continue my PS4 franchise playing 20 on the PS5." Now I see this and I'm just so glad I held out. I don't even play RTTS much traditionally, but it's just another step towards "hey everyone, play DD or else."

It's just so disheartening. Between all of these features us offline players have now lost (Y2Y, SOTS, being able to use multiple saves and characters in RTTS and not having it tied to online), and in particular, devs blocking users for just asking questions about these features being removed... I legitimately have trouble coming up with the words for the sentiment I now have towards a studio and series that, for years, set the standard for sports gaming.

I get that I'm an old dude who is not the key demo anymore for sports games, but my goodness. At least with Madden, even though it took a social media campaign to get the changes in, they made the effort after the backlash. I'm just hoping we can somehow see something similar with The Show.
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From reading other sites, you have to set up your "Ballplayer" before starting RttS.


Yep. Create your “ball player” from the main menu and you get to select your load out and your traits. You are NOT forced to play both positions. I personally love it and will be!

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Before the first game it gives you this option.


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