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[landman2069]

Quote: Originally Posted by kabamaru

How many heads appx would you expect to see if you flipped the coin 2 million times? To elaborate back on track, how possible is there 18hours after release of packs to be able to see around 150 amethyst Playmakers on the theme but not one Diamond Oscar?

How is it possible? Really... Clearly the Diamond had lower odds of pull and there were 4 more amythyst players available which will skew random results toward what you saw. In a truly random system you could see incredibly unusual results once in a while.


You are a very rational thinker so you can't clearly believe this has any merit. Let's just close this down and get back to discussing players, plays, lineups and gameplay not conspiracy theories.

[kabamaru]

Quote: Originally Posted by landman2069

How is it possible? Really... Clearly the Diamond had lower odds of pull and there were 4 more amythyst players available which will skew random results toward what you saw. In a truly random system you could see incredibly unusual results once in a while. You are a very rational thinker so you can't clearly believe this has any merit. Let's just close this down and get back to discussing players, plays, lineups and gameplay not conspiracy theories.

Just to close the comment, I am prety sure they messed up and forgotten to put him in the packs at first. This is an error that can happen to everyone, and all I am saying is that people who opened packs before this was fixed, should have been compensated with free packs which are costless for the company. I can't believe that after 18 hours and 150 amethysts there was NONE in the AH.

Going back to my point, I am not talking about any conspiracy.

I am stating what I think is obvious, before I "invest" my money in the game with a "chance" to get one card that "might" boost my chances to win the game,I should know the chances show I can try to calculate the risk/opportunity. I think you have said in another thread you are working in a bank or something. Definitely you want to know your odds and the calculated risk in an investment. Right?

E.g the roullete, is very similar to the coin you described, when you play red and black right? Of course there can be 20-30-50 blacks in a row. I am pretty sure however that if the roullete is not fixed, the blacks and the reds % will be very close by the end of the night.

Just a touch: Odds in roullete are not 50% for black and red, as there is always the chance of 0(pays neither black, nor red) . Chances will always be 18/37, so no matter how much you play, in the long run the house will win 3%

[cttooch]

I have been thinking of the same thing as well. The OP mentioned the suit due to pack odds but what about not being able to play the game half the time. I spent a few hundred on my team and half the time i can't even play, The server six or the loading screen just freezes. How can they get away with having a product that works maybe 50% of the time

[redsox4evur]

I never any issues with the servers and I play the game almost every day.

[ALpineNM]

Don't listen to anyone telling you that this thread is pointless. Eventually pack odds will be on full display; we just need to bring more and more attention to this.

Also, if indeed there are algorithmic coding that allows for assistance on lower tier players or leagues then reimbursements are due. When real money enters the picture full disclosure is mandatory or else regulation by a third party will have to commence.

[ER1C 3KGSX]

Its a gamble either way. Im more upset thay they manipulate overall ratings and keep cards in certain tiers with that phony new intangible rating.

[Bubba13laze]

I think part of the reason we are not told pack odds is because 2k likes to adjust the odds on the fly for various card tiers, specific players, and packs.

In previous years we have seen the odds of pulling a rare card very low earlier in the year. But late into the season to boost sales the odds are tweaked to make the rare cards more common.

Side note. The way casinos work for slot machines is let's say they have 15 blocks of machines. Each block has 10 machines in it. Every hour there is a rotation so that one of the 15 blocks will pay bigger. And within the block, one out of those 10 will have a jack pot. They have algorithms in place that randomly switch which machines are hot and which are not. I believe 2k does the same but with specific cards. One hour you may see more amethyst hardens drop from packs. The next hour you may see more amethyst LeBrons. Similarly, there will be times where you are more likely to pull lots of rarer cards than others. These pack odds are on a rotation. Also specific cards get their odds adjusted on the fly for various reasons such as influencing the market or increasing immediate sales.

I feel strongly that opening packs is a form of gambling. It is spending money for a chance of something. Some get lucky and some don't.

With that in mind, how can the value of virtual products be measured? 2k sells us vc, 450k for 100$. What we are buying is the vc, not the Mt coin or specific player. With that vc we can do what we want from buying card packs to upgrading attributes in career or buying swag in the park. There is no store in game where you can spend 75k vc for lebron James and then we know lebron is worth the 20$ we used for 75k vc.

My point is 2k is promising us that $100 gives us 450k vc. They make no promises whether or not spending 450k on packs will give us 100k Mt or 1 million Mt worth of content.

I don't have a problem with the gambling aspect. I also understand the reason for not publishing odds because of the need to change them as they go. My biggest problem with the game this year is simply how blatantly obvious it is that I get punished by in game mechanics for spending more money. I don't think it's something that can be sued over. It's just something that makes me spend less time playing the game and certain to spend less money on it.

[PadresFan]

Quote: Originally Posted by Offballer4life

Here's the deal. I'm putting a few things together. I have an attorney in the family. I talked him about the Topps lawsuit regarding pack odds. He's very familiar with RICO cases. He asked me a ton of questions, which actually gave me a little hope. The main conversation covered 2 things: 1. Pack odds. Plain and simple. No real explanation meeded, hopefully. 2. The possible correlation between money spent and "nerfing"/rubberbanding/equalizer. I have been consistently been putting cash into the game. Lucky for me, I've written down every single game score since release. On paper. The friend was actually more interested in hearing about #2 bc he said that pack odds would take very little effort to convince a judge to rule in player's favor. Good news guys! If it turns out that I can even come up with more-than-speculative evidence (ie my list will suffice for now....but I need more ppls records), he has offered to look into filing a suit at no cost. I don't want to say too much more. But I will say one more thing......if there is a system/algorithm in place that lessens pack odds if more packs are opened, we could all be very happy customers. Please discuss this. PM me to give me your lists/records. Need to be pix. I'll be posting more Monday afternoon.

Do you have any idea what a RICO case/indictment actually is?


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