NBA 2K25 "The Eccentric Edition" - Realistic Slider Set

[EccentricMeat]

Quote: Originally Posted by talladega63

When do you think you'll be ready to release your first official set of sliders?

Probably very soon. With the rotation problem fixed it’s now worth jumping in to MyNBA, building a fun team, and testing the sliders in some games I actually care about instead of just in random test Play Now games. Shouldn’t be too long now!

[GisherJohn24]

Quote: Originally Posted by teknofilo

@EccentricMeat goooood sliders man To give you my feedback I only notice one thing that I think should be changed. In my opinion, the players are a little "slow", especially as they attack the basket, In LayUp.

Do we change game speed or cpu and human Speed slider?


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[EccentricMeat]

Quote: Originally Posted by GisherJohn24

Do we change game speed or cpu and human Speed slider? Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk

You can change Game Speed but that will make everything faster and more floaty. The Speed slider has nothing to do with how fast players move with the ball in their hands, that is solely down to the Speed with Ball attribute (not available as a slider) and/or the Lightning Launch badge. Increasing Speed with Ball or adding/increasing the Lightning Launch badge will make players quicker while dribbling, but obviously requires editing the roster. I did a quick mass edit of everyone's Speed with Ball attribute, increasing it by 5 for all players (just click X on the SWB attribute column in quick edit and it will modify the entire roster at once), which gave a nice little boost to dribble speed without making the game feel as loose and floaty as increasing Game Speed tends to do.

Check out the link in my signature for more information about speed and movement if you want an in-depth description for how it all works.

[christianrocky]

I tried your sliders last night and really enjoyed the game

Thanks for your work!

[talladega63]

EccentricMeat i appraciete your sliders very good thanks!
I have notice that when i made a p/roll the setter's difender almost never goes to block a three point shot.
Do you think it's possible to solve this problem?

I have also increase help defense to 70 and i think it's better, are you agree?

[EccentricMeat]

Quote: Originally Posted by talladega63

EccentricMeat i appraciete your sliders very good thanks! I have notice that when i made a p/roll the setter's difender almost never goes to block a three point shot. Do you think it's possible to solve this problem? I have also increase help defense to 70 and i think it's better, are you agree?

Yes, you can pause the game and switch to the other team, then go into their Gameplan > Defensive Settings and set up how you want them to defend either your team as a whole, or just how to defend specific players. You can set them to switch on the PnR for everyone, or just for a guy like Steph Curry.

Outside of tweaking their defensive settings, you can really only increase their Help Defense under Gameplan > Coach Sliders. If that Help Defense slider is 70+ they should be pretty good at recognizing when a guy is open and sending help, but that doesn’t typically happen until you drive the lane. The other Help Defense Strength slider in the slider menu is more about how effective the help is once the game triggers help to come over, so you definitely can increase that to 70 but it probably won’t do much to help the issue you’re talking about.

The main thing would be for the ACE defensive system to actually work well for these situations, but it really doesn’t. ACE is good at recognizing mismatches and sending help, or recognizing when a specific player is on fire and needs to be doubled, but it doesn’t do much of anything to help shut down the PnR when used to get open 3pt shots. Ideally the game would automatically switch when a guy like Curry abuses the PnR to get his own shot, or at least set a hard hedge until the on-ball defender can get into place and send help D to cover the screener as he rolls to the basket.

Don’t get me started ranting on the defensive AI We can get things working fairly well, but there are so many basic, key fundamentals to help defense that are just completely absent from this game’s AI and that has always been the case. They legitimately need to rebuild the defensive AI from the ground up and maybe have a semi-competent coach in the room with the devs when they build the new system.

[talladega63]

Quote: Originally Posted by EccentricMeat

Yes, you can pause the game and switch to the other team, then go into their Gameplan > Defensive Settings and set up how you want them to defend either your team as a whole, or just how to defend specific players. You can set them to switch on the PnR for everyone, or just for a guy like Steph Curry. Outside of tweaking their defensive settings, you can really only increase their Help Defense under Gameplan > Coach Sliders. If that Help Defense slider is 70+ they should be pretty good at recognizing when a guy is open and sending help, but that doesn’t typically happen until you drive the lane. The other Help Defense Strength slider in the slider menu is more about how effective the help is once the game triggers help to come over, so you definitely can increase that to 70 but it probably won’t do much to help the issue you’re talking about. The main thing would be for the ACE defensive system to actually work well for these situations, but it really doesn’t. ACE is good at recognizing mismatches and sending help, or recognizing when a specific player is on fire and needs to be doubled, but it doesn’t do much of anything to help shut down the PnR when used to get open 3pt shots. Ideally the game would automatically switch when a guy like Curry abuses the PnR to get his own shot, or at least set a hard hedge until the on-ball defender can get into place and send help D to cover the screener as he rolls to the basket. Don’t get me started ranting on the defensive AI We can get things working fairly well, but there are so many basic, key fundamentals to help defense that are just completely absent from this game’s AI and that has always been the case. They legitimately need to rebuild the defensive AI from the ground up and maybe have a semi-competent coach in the room with the devs when they build the new system.

Ok thanks for your explanation.

[EccentricMeat]

Quote: Originally Posted by talladega63

EccentricMeat i appraciete your sliders very good thanks! I have notice that when i made a p/roll the setter's difender almost never goes to block a three point shot. Do you think it's possible to solve this problem? I have also increase help defense to 70 and i think it's better, are you agree?

I usually don't play around with the Defense Settings during a game, but I would absolutely recommend doing so. Playing a game against the Warriors right now with the Pacers and I set my defense "Hedge" and "Hedge (Center)" settings to Hard Hedge for Steph Curry. As soon as the PnR starts and Haliburton runs into the screener, the hedge defender kicks out to cover Curry until Haliburton gets by the screener. Multiple times this has led to a decent contest by hedge defender on a Curry jumpshot, or it forced Curry into passing it to the screener as he rolled to the basket (where help defense was on time to contest in the paint as well).

So yes, with dangerous perimeter shooters make sure to set the Hedge defense to Hard Hedge (switch to the CPU team and do the same for them), and also make sure to set "Stay Attached" to "Always" on those elite shooters as well so that the help defense won't leave a guy like Curry wide open when they could have easily just abandoned an average or poor shooter instead.

Shout out to alabamarob for always championing these defense settings on OS.

Added a section to the first post - How to Get Better Ball Movement and Common-Sense Help Defense

I highly recommend everyone takes a minute and utilizes the suggestions listed there as they will massively improve the authenticity of your gameplay.

EDIT: Also testing out a few roster edits and I'm REALLY liking the results. Just some simple mass edits adding a few badges league-wide as well as increasing a few tendencies league-wide as well (aggressive finishing on drive attempts, passing out to the open player on drive attempts, taking charges, committing fouls). I'll post more after I get a few more games in.