Signature Skills!?!

[KingTocco]

Quote: Originally Posted by 19LloydBanks82

I own league pass as well, watched about 20 games of CP3 this season and all I can say is, he doesn't deserve lockdown defender. There are better 1 on 1 defenders than Chris Paul on the PG position. He is definitely a great defender, but he doesn't shut his matchup down. If you look at the players who have LD, Tony Allen, LeBron, Paul George or Avery Bradley, CP3 is not in their category of 1 on 1 defense. There are players who deserve it more than he does, Hibbert for example.

I don't want to come off in the wrong way...but you need to watch more basketball, or watch more in depth. Chris Paul is a lockdown defender, and you can't use Allen, Bradley, LeBron, Hibbert, etc. as examples. Of the ones you mentioned, only Bradley sometimes plays PG!

Name 5 PGs in the league that are as good or better defensively...scratch that, name 3 players. CP3 is a great 1 on 1 defender and he is one of the shorter guys in the league.

[KingTocco]

Quote: Originally Posted by bigsexymarc

First of all have u watched CP3 at all? he is a lockdown defender. He doesnt always play lockdown defense because its more team oriented and he has good backside defense in Deandre. He has led the league in steals numerous times and is always every single year in the top 3 at least. CP3 is an elite defender and if u dont think that than u dont know basketball. Also Rondo should have Dimer, but hes not the best passer in the league, that would go to CP3 or Rubio. But Rondo is right after those guys. Dont forget Rondo played with 3 hall of famers when he was getting the majority of those monster assist games.

THIS ^^^^ Well said! Sometimes, it seems to me as if Rondo is trying to get assists out there, I remember Bill Simmons had an article on one time. Remember last year when Rondo went down and the Celtics actually started playing better? "The Ewing Theory"

Rubio is a good passer but that's about all he's good at, and CP3 is the best passer in the league IMO. I also think he is one of the only TRUE PG's left in the league, lots of scoring PGs now, it's nice to see the traditional PG...it's an art form.

[19LloydBanks82]

Quote: Originally Posted by kobebryant824

I don't want to come off in the wrong way...but you need to watch more basketball, or watch more in depth. Chris Paul is a lockdown defender, and you can't use Allen, Bradley, LeBron, Hibbert, etc. as examples. Of the ones you mentioned, only Bradley sometimes plays PG! Name 5 PGs in the league that are as good or better defensively...scratch that, name 3 players. CP3 is a great 1 on 1 defender and he is one of the shorter guys in the league.

I watch enough basketball, matter of fact, this is about CP3. But it seems like i'm watching more closely and numbers don't lie and they clearly show he's not a lockdown defender. He is a great defender and people always use his amount of steals as an argument of defense, but there is A LOT more to defense than getting steals. A healthy Rondo and Conley are 2 PG's I'd take over CP3 in a 1 on 1 situation, but that's it, so i'll give you that.

[TheJokester117]

Quote: Originally Posted by 19LloydBanks82

I watch enough basketball, matter of fact, this is about CP3. But it seems like i'm watching more closely and numbers don't lie and they clearly show he's not a lockdown defender. He is a great defender and people always use his amount of steals as an argument of defense, but there is A LOT more to defense than getting steals. A healthy Rondo and Conley are 2 PG's I'd take over CP3 in a 1 on 1 situation, but that's it, so i'll give you that.

If you guys are arguing numbers (Defensive Rating, Defensive Win Shares, etc.) then Mike Conley is a statistically better defender than Chris Paul.

[kwabalicious]

Quote: Originally Posted by 19LloydBanks82

I watch enough basketball, matter of fact, this is about CP3. But it seems like i'm watching more closely and numbers don't lie and they clearly show he's not a lockdown defender. He is a great defender and people always use his amount of steals as an argument of defense, but there is A LOT more to defense than getting steals. A healthy Rondo and Conley are 2 PG's I'd take over CP3 in a 1 on 1 situation, but that's it, so i'll give you that.

Rondo has never really been a good on ball defender. Usually likes to play the passing lanes and go for the ball a lot.

Beverly, Conley, Bradley are guys I might take defending the PG position over Paul, but Paul has great anticipatory skills and is surely a top five, if not, top two or three defender at his position. I guess another question you could ask is how selective the signature skill should be? Maybe CP3 is not as good a defender as Bradley, TA, or Paul George, but he is still a damn good defender.

Before we start worrying about guys like Chris Paul, we need to get Lockdown Defender taken away from guys like Danny Green.

[19LloydBanks82]

Quote: Originally Posted by kwabalicious

Rondo has never really been a good on ball defender. Usually likes to play the passing lanes and go for the ball a lot. Beverly, Conley, Bradley are guys I might take defending the PG position over Paul, but Paul has great anticipatory skills and is surely a top five, if not, top two or three defender at his position. I guess another question you could ask is how selective the signature skill should be? Maybe CP3 is not as good a defender as Bradley, TA, or Paul George, but he is still a damn good defender. Before we start worrying about guys like Chris Paul, we need to get Lockdown Defender taken away from guys like Danny Green.

Rondo has never been a good on ball defender? Lol you have a Celtics logo as your image but have you ever seen Rondo play? There is a reason Doc Rivers put Rondo on LeBron multiple times (Even in game 2 in 2012 when LeBron had the ball for the last shot). He is one of the best on ball defenders in the game (when healthy).

[Sixniner]

Quote: Originally Posted by kwabalicious

Rondo has never really been a good on ball defender. Usually likes to play the passing lanes and go for the ball a lot. Beverly, Conley, Bradley are guys I might take defending the PG position over Paul, but Paul has great anticipatory skills and is surely a top five, if not, top two or three defender at his position. I guess another question you could ask is how selective the signature skill should be? Maybe CP3 is not as good a defender as Bradley, TA, or Paul George, but he is still a damn good defender. Before we start worrying about guys like Chris Paul, we need to get Lockdown Defender taken away from guys like Danny Green.

Yes Beverly is a beast onball.... He would switch on screens and deny LeBron from driving. Kyle Lowery, Kirk Hinrich and Conley are slightly better onball Defenders than CP3 since Paul has so much responsibility on the offensive end... Lock down defender should be reserved for the guy who consistently slow down their matchup night in and out....

[kwabalicious]

Quote: Originally Posted by 19LloydBanks82

Rondo has never been a good on ball defender? Lol you have a Celtics logo as your image but have you ever seen Rondo play? There is a reason Doc Rivers put Rondo on LeBron multiple times (Even in game 2 in 2012 when LeBron had the ball for the last shot). He is one of the best on ball defenders in the game (when healthy).

We can agree to disagree, as I don't want to start an off topic argument, but as someone who never misses a Celtics game, I can say that Rondo doesn't guard PGs very well. Rondo is best playing the passing lanes and being the quarterback of the defense, roaming around and staying in help. That is why the Bradley-Rondo backcourt duo is so deadly. Rondo gets beaten by his man all the time gambling for the ball; it's just his nature. He's not up there with guys like Chris Paul.