Will blocking shots be improved in 2K16?

[EarvGotti]

In 2K11 you actually feared shooting in traffic because the chances of getting blocked were super real.

If you notice, defenders actually motion downward with their arms when swatting the ball. Like a volleyball spike. This resulted in big blocks going into the stands and into the backcourt. Now they usually just keep their hand straight up in the air and don't use any motion when blocking

[shayellis]

Quote: Originally Posted by EarvGotti

NBA 2K11 had the best shot-blocking the series has ever seen. I'm just dumbfounded as to why year after year, good things are added and then taken out!?!?!?!?!?! It's like 2K purposely regresses when they should be progressing. 2K11 was the year of the shot blocker. 6 years later, we still have weak blocking mechanics....

I also feel like whenever defense is heavily focused on in sports game, it produces great gameplay (IE nba 2k11 and madden 05 for ps2)

[Trackball]

Quote: Originally Posted by shayellis

I also feel like whenever defense is heavily focused on in sports game, it produces great gameplay (IE nba 2k11 and madden 05 for ps2)

As someone who likes playing a center, I don't see why 2K11 is so beloved.

Oh, it's really good, don't get me wrong. I just can't see its sacred-cow status.

For instance, I still can't wrap my head around how 2K11's post offense is supposed to work. It got a LOT easier to understand in 2K12...unfortunately, a lot of other things changed that year as well.

I'm well aware that this is an unpopular opinion, and I do agree that, on DEFENSE, centers were at their best in that game. But I just couldn't get those post controls to work like I wanted.

[EarvGotti]

Quote: Originally Posted by Trackball

As someone who likes playing a center, I don't see why 2K11 is so beloved. Oh, it's really good, don't get me wrong. I just can't see its sacred-cow status. For instance, I still can't wrap my head around how 2K11's post offense is supposed to work. It got a LOT easier to understand in 2K12...unfortunately, a lot of other things changed that year as well. I'm well aware that this is an unpopular opinion, and I do agree that, on DEFENSE, centers were at their best in that game. But I just couldn't get those post controls to work like I wanted.

That's the thing. I loved that the post controls in 2k11 weren't so easy that everyone could play good in the post. I did some of my best work in 2K11 from the post. The controls weren't straight forward, but once you learned what to do.....you could chain together some serious moves in the post.


I don't 2K will ever go back to a game that has a steep learning curve. They are getting bigger and are more about the $$$ now. And this is also why I think we will never again get a game that is really legit defensively.

2K14 on last gen was a defensive masterpiece....but 2K14 next gen IMO did not reflect that same type of gameplay. I remember LD2K raving about 2K14 last gen's gameplay but they only made that one more realistic because they knew the casuals would pick up the next gen copy because of the graphics etc.

[Trackball]

Quote: Originally Posted by EarvGotti

That's the thing. I loved that the post controls in 2k11 weren't so easy that everyone could play good in the post. I did some of my best work in 2K11 from the post. The controls weren't straight forward, but once you learned what to do.....you could chain together some serious moves in the post. I don't 2K will ever go back to a game that has a steep learning curve. They are getting bigger and are more about the $$$ now. And this is also why I think we will never again get a game that is really legit defensively. 2K14 on last gen was a defensive masterpiece....but 2K14 next gen IMO did not reflect that same type of gameplay. I remember LD2K raving about 2K14 last gen's gameplay but they only made that one more realistic because they knew the casuals would pick up the next gen copy because of the graphics etc.

Can't we have an option for EITHER scheme to be in the game?

I mean, I was once given a psychological exam that had one part where I had to assemble a padlock. Of all the people in the room given this test, I was the only one who couldn't put it together from the Lego-style instructions.

I also can't solve a Rubik's cube to save my life.

(I'm also autistic. I wonder if that matters.)

Point is, ease of use counts for a lot. That's why we don't use DOS anymore.

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Quote: Originally Posted by EarvGotti

That's the thing. I loved that the post controls in 2k11 weren't so easy that everyone could play good in the post. I did some of my best work in 2K11 from the post. The controls weren't straight forward, but once you learned what to do.....you could chain together some serious moves in the post. I don't 2K will ever go back to a game that has a steep learning curve. They are getting bigger and are more about the $$$ now. And this is also why I think we will never again get a game that is really legit defensively. 2K14 on last gen was a defensive masterpiece....but 2K14 next gen IMO did not reflect that same type of gameplay. I remember LD2K raving about 2K14 last gen's gameplay but they only made that one more realistic because they knew the casuals would pick up the next gen copy because of the graphics etc.

Thats not true at all man. 2k14 on the PC and X360 was an already polished game from years of working on it, which was really capped out as far as what they could do.

I still have it on PC and continue to play it til this day because its that good, but what I hate is the revisionist history in these forums.

Alot of you guys cry like babies over things and when 2k changes them then its not as good as it was.

People complained about 2k11 and incessantly about 2k12. If anything 2k14 nex gens OMG trailer sold itself, which was a game they had to create like the old one from scratch just to get it up and working to play like the old one on the new console, and people complained about that gameplay too.

[The 24th Letter]

After 2K11, 2k seemed to start working on making things more organic at the rim...2K12/13 were bumpy rides in that process...

While it was a fun game defensively, 2K11 relied on some pretty heavy 2 man animations, which every one claimed to want to get rid of...on ball defense was boosted by a lot of suction and 'bumping'...but it all came together well to create a fun defensive experience...because it simply wasn't easy to score the ball in that game against someone who knew what they were doing.

I think last gen 2K14 was a breakthrough as far as finding a balance...hopefully we can recapture some of that in 2K16...


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[2_headedmonster]

Quote: Originally Posted by The 24th Letter

I think last gen 2K14 was a breakthrough as far as finding a balance...hopefully we can recapture some of that in 2K16...

I've said it before, and i'll say it again. 2k14 last gen is underrated and got A LOT right.

I remember on 2k14 ps3 my cousin picked Jordan, so i picked the wilt chamberlain Lakers to defend the inevitable drives.

8 blocks i had, it was glorious.

I could help from the weak-side, bait him into drives, and my timing was rewarded. Try that now and i will get the most frustrating outcomes imaginable.

a litmus test i do for blocking EVERY year is to take a prolific shot-blocker into one on one against a guard. I back away to the block just outside the paint, let them drive and then go for the swat. Since the cpu doesn't use square to alter layups and there are no high arching ones, it should be like volleyball practice out there. Unfortunately for next gen it's revealed a lot of flaws.