Isn't it time for a physics engine?

[NINJAK2]

Dribbling, shooting, passing, dunking is all animation based. KD, LeBron, etc don't look like themselves minus these animations and basketball games will always require them. They do need to incorporate a better way to present stop, cut, acceleration animations because I think it's a tad bit exaggerated for most players in the time it takes to turn around, etc.


I agree with 24th on tweaking the interaction system. I think the interaction/stumble/collision animations take too long to play out and that should be tweaked as well.

[Optik]

No.

Ask this question again in 10 years.

[Vni]

I think it's possible they are working on a physics engine behind the scenes. It's not something they're gonna implement in one year.

[The 24th Letter]

Quote: Originally Posted by NINJAK2

Dribbling, shooting, passing, dunking is all animation based. KD, LeBron, etc don't look like themselves minus these animations and basketball games will always require them. They do need to incorporate a better way to present stop, cut, acceleration animations because I think it's a tad bit exaggerated for most players in the time it takes to turn around, etc. I agree with 24th on tweaking the interaction system. I think the interaction/stumble/collision animations take too long to play out and that should be tweaked as well.

People really just want realistic interactions and outcomes....that's why a game that had some of the heaviest two man animations weve ever seen is still praised today (NBA 2K11) That's the easiest way to play things out...and it's consistent.

It's been a struggle transitioning from that....I feel like 2K14 broke ground and then we took steps back

[Vni]

Quote: Originally Posted by The 24th Letter

The word 'physics' is pretty much treated like the magic pill that will solve all of 2k's woes..when that's really not accurate...physics don't guarantee perfect outcomes, its one part of a much bigger equation. Hopefully 2k can get back to rebuilding the interaction system they worked so hard on building last gen. They were right there.

I think most people (including myself) don't really know what is a physics engine and what it does exactly in the first place. It sounds like it's something I want though lol.

[Cowboyfan_19]

A "physics" engine sounds extremely tough to implement in a video game with a sport that decides things literally by the centimeter.

Though if a game like Forza can implement physics just fine, it's certainly possible.

I just want a 2k that isn't so freakin animation based. Animations cause nothing but bailout scenarios for bad online players.

[SpeedyClaxton]

Quote: Originally Posted by Vni

I think most people (including myself) don't really know what is a physics engine and what it does exactly in the first place. It sounds like it's something I want though lol.

Physics engine (in sports games) is engine that counts person X's velocity, height, weight and movement against person Y's velocity, height, weight and movement. It's implemented pretty damn good in UFC2 as shown in this trailer https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ITteOdFBu5I

In 2K16 i encountered numerous time big men falling in paint because likes of Irving, I.Thomas, Rose, Paul run into them. Not only that layup collisions are really messed up as well as dunking contact that is based purely on player rating rather than situation and some other factors.

Good implementation of physics engine would result in such dunks to be possible:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?
v=EkkHqk_2ud4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=keuRJJep3qE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=No4XMbywnY8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y1bLoyOpIJg
Just some examples how dunking can be altered by collision.

[GroveStreetCJ]

Quote: Originally Posted by The 24th Letter

The word 'physics' is pretty much treated like the magic pill that will solve all of 2k's woes..when that's really not accurate...physics don't guarantee perfect outcomes, its one part of a much bigger equation. Hopefully 2k can get back to rebuilding the interaction system they worked so hard on building last gen. They were right there.

I never stated that it would fix everything all I said is that it should help with suction and fluidity of the players. Obviously there's more to fixing 2K than just a physics engine.