Please turn the help defense, and cutter help defense back to were it was on release

**Luke Skywalker** · 10-02-2021, 07:57 AM

Re: Please turn the help defense, and cutter help defense back to were it was on rele

Originally posted by alabamarob

The bigs speed, and the unrealistic on ball defense is what needed to be turned down. Not the help defense. The help defense was the main improvement to the game requiring people to now shoot jumpers as opposed to spamming the paint. They turned down the cutter defense for the “competitive” gamers, and now the help defense is extra slow and lax also.

No reason for Capela to by at the 3 point line hugging Steven Adams as Morant blows by my defender, and the same thing on the other end. Watching Trae and Morant have a 1 on 1 layup contest, when 2 weeks ago the defense was flooding the paint is disappointing.

If the help defense isn’t going to be where it was earlier, then 90 percent of the potential in this game is gone. For the guys who like to run real NBA teams, and play against the CPU we can’t be sent back to 2k21 help defense.

They need to give us a slider or something so the offliners don’t have to suffer. I guess guys were complaining that they couldn’t grind their MyPlayers because they had to actually play some basketball.

Everyone wants **** easy.

**ataman5** · 10-02-2021, 08:33 AM

Re: Please turn the help defense, and cutter help defense back to were it was on rele

Well they did not touch on Current Gen as of now, hopefully they won't!

**Mikelopedia** · 10-02-2021, 09:23 AM

Re: Please turn the help defense, and cutter help defense back to were it was on rele

10000% second this! This change to the gameplay sapped almost all my excitement about the game. I feel as though I'm just playing a faster moving 2k21 now. Prior to the update that affected the help D, it was absolutely possible to play 100% on ball defense, now you HAVE to user situations such as you described Rob, like Capela hugging a non shooting center while the PG blows by for a layup.

The complaint from the all knowing "comp community" was giving up the corner 3 when that corner defender would recognize a cutter or would move to tag the roller, but thats modern NBA basketball. They introduced the "chase behavior" tech this year that covers that hole and it was a beautiful thing. Now the only time you'll see it is if you call for a double team. Or they would complain because they would user control an off ball defender and put him in a position that would confuse the AI.

Cant the "comp community" just enjoy the video game environment they've created in rec/park/pro am without ruining 5 v 5 NBA gameplay as well? We of the MyNBA, Online sim head to head, User vs AI and AI vs AI community would really appreciate that.

**Mikelopedia** · 10-02-2021, 09:33 AM

Re: Please turn the help defense, and cutter help defense back to were it was on rele

Don't get me wrong, there was plenty of room to improve such as pre rotating a big off of a non shooting big, choosing where you want the help to come from, whom you want to run off the 3 point line off the rotation, a new defensive settings menu that properly works in conjunction with the growing defensive system. However, this now is 100% 1 step forward 2 steps back to appease some cry babies would don't understand modern NBA basketball.

**rjohns23** · 10-02-2021, 10:10 AM

Re: Please turn the help defense, and cutter help defense back to were it was on rele

Originally posted by ataman5

Well they did not touch on Current Gen as of now, hopefully they won't!

Yea it seems like they haven't touched it. But d**** the bigs still play too tight on the perimeter. I've tried everything to get the CPU bigs to not play tight on their man but I'm still testing.

If they fix this, and the double teams on switches, 2k22 would be just about perfect for PC.

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**alabamarob** · 10-02-2021, 10:16 AM

Re: Please turn the help defense, and cutter help defense back to were it was on rele

Originally posted by Mikelopedia

10000% second this! This change to the gameplay sapped almost all my excitement about the game. I feel as though I'm just playing a faster moving 2k21 now. Prior to the update that affected the help D, it was absolutely possible to play 100% on ball defense, now you HAVE to user situations such as you described Rob, like Capela hugging a non shooting center while the PG blows by for a layup.

The complaint from the all knowing "comp community" was giving up the corner 3 when that corner defender would recognize a cutter or would move to tag the roller, but thats modern NBA basketball. They introduced the "chase behavior" tech this year that covers that hole and it was a beautiful thing. Now the only time you'll see it is if you call for a double team. Or they would complain because they would user control an off ball defender and put him in a position that would confuse the AI.

Cant the "comp community" just enjoy the video game environment they've created in rec/park/pro am without ruining 5 v 5 NBA gameplay as well? We of the MyNBA, Online sim head to head, User vs AI and AI vs AI community would really appreciate that.

If I am being honest about things. With the help defense where it is right now, this game is worst then 2k21. The defensive settings don’t work just like 21. There is little to no help defense like 21, and the speed is horrible and unrealistic.
Shot blocking is different, but not necessarily better with all these chasedown blocks.

I have no idea how they can take an NBA game with player licenses, and make the game 99 percent myplayer/ “competitive” friendly. I knew when they removed the cutter help it was going to be like this.

Originally posted by Mikelopedia

Don't get me wrong, there was plenty of room to improve such as pre rotating a big off of a non shooting big, choosing where you want the help to come from, whom you want to run off the 3 point line off the rotation, a new defensive settings menu that properly works in conjunction with the growing defensive system. However, this now is 100% 1 step forward 2 steps back to appease some cry babies would don't understand modern NBA basketball.

I will remain optimistic and tell myself this will get fixed quickly. I doubt that they would leave help defense in its current state, especially since the defensive settings don’t work. NBA defense is not about blocking shots to protect the paint, and its not about bumping and suffocating people on the perimeter to prevent dribble penetration.

**The 24th Letter** · 10-02-2021, 10:21 AM

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Great thread Rob.

Before we inevitably go down the "They ruined the game for MyCareer players" rabbit hole...

This effected us who played head to head online with NBA teams as well, since it's much easier for humans to trigger the oversenstive (Czars words mind you) cutter help for an open 3. Running 5 out and exploiting this was the meta.

I'm not sure what the solution is until we get into individual help settings, but maybe there are solutions to be found. Ideally we could make these adjustments "online only" but I assumed something intricate like this can't be seperated.

Czars been open about this stuff and making adjustments based on feedback. We should get our voices involved in the conversation too.

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**alabamarob** · 10-02-2021, 10:24 AM

Re: Please turn the help defense, and cutter help defense back to were it was on rele

Originally posted by The 24th Letter

Great thread Rob.

Before we inevitably go down the "They ruined the game for MyCareer players" rabbit hole...

This effected us who played head to head online with NBA teams as well, since it's much easier for humans to trigger the oversenstive (Czars words mind you) cutter help for an open 3. Running 5 out and exploiting this was the meta.

I'm not sure what the solution is until we get into individual help settings, but maybe there are solutions to be found. Ideally we could make these adjustments "online only" but I assumed something intricate like this can't be seperated.

Czars been open about this stuff and making adjustments based on feedback. We should get our voices involved in the conversation too.

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Please help me out 24. I have only played about 5 or 6 games. What exactly is the meta? How do they create an open 3 everytime down? I could barely score 100 points or shoot 40 percent from the field. I am not good, but I am an average player and never saw or heard of that.

You know I am pro Czar, and appreciate all he has added to the game. The offense is excellent. I have zero complaints about the offense. He is great at his job. However, I am little irritated because the defensive settings already don’t work, and we were relying on CPU help rotations. So if we don’t get to control our help with the settings, and they took out help defense and cutter help? We now have a game of 1 on 1 every single time down the floor. 5 guys huggin their man on the perimeter with a 1 v 1 dribble competition.

This is the first time that you couldn’t spam the paint, without shooters because the help was going to be there. You could play 100 percent on ball knowing you have help. It’s hard to go back from that. Imo.

I don’t really like to speak on solutions after watching Czar’s videos, because I am not an expert in how to make that “system” work in the game. Someone else mentioned and I agree that there is already a coaching slider labeled help defense. I wouldn’t be surprised if that setting was placebo though, like other settings. If we want guys over helping we can turn the help defensive slider up or if they don’t want guys helping they can turn the slider down.

Why couldn’t the “competitive” guys go off ball when the user was going off ball to draw the help? They say the meta was off ball drawing of the corner guy, so just go off ball to keep him there. So we have to change how we play each other and the cpu, so those guys wouldn’t have to go off ball and keep their defender in the corner?

**arcform** · 10-02-2021, 11:05 AM

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I don't know guys. I am seeing too many bigs hugging players at perimeter right now, playing on current gen. I really hope I am wrong, but it seems current was touched as well as next gen. If not, sure looks that way.

**The 24th Letter** · 10-02-2021, 11:06 AM

Re: Please turn the help defense, and cutter help defense back to were it was on rele

Originally posted by alabamarob

Please help me out 24. I have only played about 5 or 6 games. What exactly is the meta? How do they create an open 3 everytime down? I could barely score 100 points or shoot 40 percent from the field. I am not good, but I am an average player and never saw or heard of that.

You know I am pro Czar, and appreciate all he has added to the game. The offense is excellent. I have zero complaints about the offense. He is great at his job. However, I am little irritated because the defensive settings already don’t work, and we were relying on CPU help rotations. So if we don’t get to control our help with the settings, and they took out help defense and cutter help? We now have a game of 1 on 1 every single time down the floor. 5 guys huggin their man on the perimeter with a 1 v 1 dribble competition.

This is the first time that you couldn’t spam the paint, without shooters because the help was going to be there. You could play 100 percent on ball knowing you have help. It’s hard to go back from that. Imo.

I don’t really like to speak on solutions after watching Czar’s videos, because I am not an expert in how to make that “system” work in the game. Someone else mentioned and I agree that there is already a coaching slider labeled help defense. I wouldn’t be surprised if that setting was placebo though, like other settings. If we want guys over helping we can turn the help defensive slider up or if they don’t want guys helping they can turn the slider down.

Why couldn’t the “competitive” guys go off ball when the user was going off ball to draw the help? They say the meta was off ball drawing of the corner guy, so just go off ball to keep him there. So we have to change how we play each other and the cpu, so those guys wouldn’t have to go off ball and keep their defender in the corner?

You're playing sim minded ballers on HOF right? Changes the dynamic and percentages a bit.

Here's an example from a "comp player"

https://twitter.com/SplashEdition/status/1442630815083638784?s=19

I get both sides of the conversation in the comments.

Even for someone like me who loves playing on ball for the most part to keep the offense honest, I know I have to manually rotate on some situations. Thing is that help would trigger when when the AI interprets a toe behind the defender as "open" and helps down.

I really do understand that decision as well though, and how it translates in HUM vs. CPU games. At the end of the day, I believe It all comes down to being able to adjust individual settings.

but it's definitely not a pure comp complaint IMO. I just don't know what the answer is.

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**AIRJ23** · 10-02-2021, 11:14 AM

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If you guys manually select to double a player, as well go into the other team’s settings to manually double team one of your players, will that work at least?? Because that worked in 2K21. If it doesn’t work in 22, while it worked in 21, looks like we officially have a game worse than 2K21.

Also, is there a slider that controls or affects held D?

We’re stuck with 2K21 forever, guys. No matter how good devs make this game, the online park curry slide paint sniffers will cry it into regression oblivion.

I don’t get why someone can’t make an exclusive NBA game that does away with the mycareer type of stuff. I mean the NBA is popular enough to warrant a game dedicated solely to it, yes? Or is the league so boring now that not enough people will buy it if it doesn’t feature made up created players who drive golf carts to their hip hop studios.

**el jimmy** · 10-02-2021, 11:29 AM

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Surely this isn't the answer though?

https://youtu.be/1SlGOSHkSlw

It's like the help defence is allergic to the man with the ball.

**rjohns23** · 10-02-2021, 11:34 AM

Re: Please turn the help defense, and cutter help defense back to were it was on rele

Originally posted by AIRJ23

If you guys manually select to double a player, as well go into the other team’s settings to manually double team one of your players, will that work at least?? Because that worked in 2K21. If it doesn’t work in 22, while it worked in 21, looks like we officially have a game worse than 2K21.

Also, is there a slider that controls or affects held D?

We’re stuck with 2K21 forever, guys. No matter how good devs make this game, the online park curry slide paint sniffers will cry it into regression oblivion.

I don’t get why someone can’t make an exclusive NBA game that does away with the mycareer type of stuff. I mean the NBA is popular enough to warrant a game dedicated solely to it, yes? Or is the league so boring now that not enough people will buy it if it doesn’t feature made up created players who drive golf carts to their hip hop studios.

Lol... I havent even tried MyCareer just seen the commercials for it and all I can say is...wow lol

But yea the scenario of changing the CPU settings seemed to be gone in 2k22. I even tried using two controllers. Im a keep testing to see what I can do to register the CPU helping more and sagging of bigs. I wonder if the defensive awareness slider has anything to do with helping.

I've also upped the help defensive coaching slider to 95 and Zone to 75 but its seems like those do not do anything. Man I wish 2k would just explain some of this s*** or just come out and tell us which things do not work this year.

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**arcform** · 10-02-2021, 12:17 PM

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Man I wish I left my internet connection off so I wouldn't get any updates/patches, and play the game the way it was week 1. But the issue is I wouldn't get few of the necessary updates included in newer patches, nor the random 2k roster updates. I wish there was an option to choose if we want to upgrade to a newer patch, or choose separate options we wish to update from patches...only in a dream though and that will never be a reality lol.

Despite being a video game and flaws...
-All we want is a properly functioning Help D. That's all.

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