Please turn the help defense, and cutter help defense back to were it was on release

[AIRJ23]

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They also said “dunking in traffic is easier now even when not using the dunk meter” so literally it’s becoming 2K21. One thing I liked about this game was how dunks didn’t happen as often. I actually started yelling during supreme dunks as they felt rewarding. Now it’s more like I purposely do a layup just to not burn out dunks and make them boring, just as I did in 2K21.

Problem with this game is with realistic help D, the unrealistic on ball D could make it so defense was unrealistically good, especially compared to today’s game where players can’t touch the ball handler which makes truly staying in front of them without fouling pretty much impossible.

So instead of refining a system that was nearly there, they took out the realistic part and left the unrealistic part.

[Lagoa]

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2k destroys help defense on 2K22 and now, after patch 1.7 next gen, i dont have more shooting fouls...

Some shooting foul animations, but no calls, the game is totally arcade, online style...

It seems to me that they are serious about ending any simulation experience in this game. I try some changes on sliders, just NO SHOOTING fouls now...

[NYJin2011tm]

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This why I gave up and went back to my personal fav 17. At least there’s injuries and fouls lol.

[vannwolfhawk]

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thats what many videogamers dont understand. its ****ing Hard to contain even an average nba Player. elite defenders are capable of containing ballhandlers sometimes, but no one is able to do that consistently. i Play at a relatively low Level in germany and i make a living basically of jab step followed by a Quick first step in the opposite direction. i can basically beat every defender on a close out like 90 % of the time doing that. thats completely normal! even the worst Teams even Play at least the first help Most of the Times. you dont See that at all in 2k.

Especially nowadays with no hand checking and freedom of movement. It’s why I liked 18 bcus there was freedom of movement and hip rides. Even how it is now as far as on ball is ok except the no help factor. Small ball should be there, but so should help. Now more than ever before with all the DHO’s, player and ball movement, tough 3 man actions in Chicago & Pistol actions it has forced nba defenses to adjust. Switching, drop coverage, and better rotations. There is way better defense today than ever before in the nba from a rotating standpoint. All because of the freedom of movement and offenses being ran. It used to be iso or PNR. Now it’s movement into PNR or iso. Obviously better players, spacing, and shooters too…

But there is a reason we see a ton of drive & kicks. Players get beat, help rotates, and forces the kick, then help the helper scrambles, then extra pass for a shot. That’s basketball that we should have but don’t. We had that in 18 though… but most hated the blow by’s.

There could be a quick fix at the very least by fixing drop coverage as it doesn’t rely on help. 2, fix the big contain at the very least. I wonder why that’s not being looked at? But there has to be drive help if we are playing and allowing small ball at the very least. Idk

[el jimmy]

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Especially nowadays with no hand checking and freedom of movement. It’s why I liked 18 bcus there was freedom of movement and hip rides. Even how it is now as far as on ball is ok except the no help factor. Small ball should be there, but so should help. Now more than ever before with all the DHO’s, player and ball movement, tough 3 man actions in Chicago & Pistol actions it has forced nba defenses to adjust. Switching, drop coverage, and better rotations. There is way better defense today than ever before in the nba from a rotating standpoint. All because of the freedom of movement and offenses being ran. It used to be iso or PNR. Now it’s movement into PNR or iso. Obviously better players, spacing, and shooters too…

But there is a reason we see a ton of drive & kicks. Players get beat, help rotates, and forces the kick, then help the helper scrambles, then extra pass for a shot. That’s basketball that we should have but don’t. We had that in 18 though… but most hated the blow by’s.

There could be a quick fix at the very least by fixing drop coverage as it doesn’t rely on help. 2, fix the big contain at the very least. I wonder why that’s not being looked at? But there has to be drive help if we are playing and allowing small ball at the very least. Idk

I've actually been taking note of this exact thing when watching NBA games lately. On average, the shot most given up by the defence is the corner three.

(Being a hornets fan, we play a lot of zone so this is probably exaggerated)

But even watching bucks/nets, bulls/pistons I noticed a high degree of corner shots.

For example when lamelo runs pnr for us, it's either a kickout three or a mid range floater/three point shot.

All this sounds a hell of a lot like the launch version of 2k22. As apposed to current build 2k22, in which it is a dunk fest, with the guard or roll man averaging 30 a game while the cpu makes no adjustments.

People complained that the corner three was open to often and easy to exploit, but that's a correct representation of modern day basketball.

I just don't understand the decision to take a years worth of improved defensive mechanics that worked incredibly well and represented the "NBA" title on the box, only to remove them essentially leaving us with an arcade game catered towards

a ) ”pro" players who play for the 2k league

b) my career, park players who don't play 5v5 Sim basketball

At this point, just take the "NBA" out of the title. Seriously.

[vannwolfhawk]

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I've actually been taking note of this exact thing when watching NBA games lately. On average, the shot most given up by the defence is the corner three.

(Being a hornets fan, we play a lot of zone so this is probably exaggerated)

But even watching bucks/nets, bulls/pistons I noticed a high degree of corner shots.

For example when lamelo runs pnr for us, it's either a kickout three or a mid range floater/three point shot.

All this sounds a hell of a lot like the launch version of 2k22. As apposed to current build 2k22, in which it is a dunk fest, with the guard or roll man averaging 30 a game while the cpu makes no adjustments.

People complained that the corner three was open to often and easy to exploit, but that's a correct representation of modern day basketball.

I just don't understand the decision to take a years worth of improved defensive mechanics that worked incredibly well and represented the "NBA" title on the box, only to remove them essentially leaving us with an arcade game catered towards

a ) ”pro" players who play for the 2k league

b) my career, park players who don't play 5v5 Sim basketball

At this point, just take the "NBA" out of the title. Seriously.

Think of this. How many drift passes do we see every game? Then think why is there even a drift pass being made? Then think where does that drift pass go to 90% of the time? Help leaves the Weak side corner to take away the Layin and force the drift pass. Lol

It’s why coaches say swing the ball. Get the d to rotate and scramble and take the best shot not the 1st shot which is usually that weak side corner.

I do get though the pass to open 3 complaint. It can’t be that easy with 1 pass shot. Although it is like that irl on a tag and lift. But, thats why I was talking earlier about even when there was rotations the cpu wasn’t playing 1st pass out it was playing the extra pass instead. The exact opposite of what it should do.

[Dione2014]

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Testing the CPU PNR defense on HOF difficulty... This is sad.



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You need to go into the defensive setting, and set on ball screen to switch and off ball screen (center) to switch as well. Also Set stay attached to no. Set switch rules and off ball screen to switch all.

This is a switch everything type of defense and it fixes the hedge man not stepping up on the ball handler. You can do this every time before the game starts or you can set them once for MyNBA mode.


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[strosdood]

Please turn the help defense, and cutter help defense back to were it was on release

You need to go into the defensive setting, and set on ball screen to switch and off ball screen (center) to switch as well. Also Set stay attached to no. Set switch rules and off ball screen to switch all.

This is a switch everything type of defense and it fixes the hedge man not stepping up on the ball handler. You can do this every time before the game starts or you can set them once for MyNBA mode.


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This is what I do…… it’s about our only hope untill they fix it……….. (if they fix it) [emoji17]


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[vannwolfhawk]

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This is what I do…… it’s about our only hope untill they fix it……….. (if they fix it) [emoji17]


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You guys do this for yourself or the cpu or both? Once the timeout gets called the cpu ace changes though I’m assuming as it’s always done?

[Dione2014]

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You guys do this for yourself or the cpu or both? Once the timeout gets called the cpu ace changes though I’m assuming as it’s always done?

I do it for the cpu and myself before each game. Your settings get saved, so when you switch over to the CPU side the settings you set will be set for them as well.

Now I’m MyNBA you can control all 30 teams and go into gameplan and make the adjustments for every team. Time consuming but it’s a fix sorta.

As for timeouts you may have to just switch over and then back. It’s pretty quick since the settings save on the user’s side. It’ll just be a quick switch then back.


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[vannwolfhawk]

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I do it for the cpu and myself before each game. Your settings get saved, so when you switch over to the CPU side the settings you set will be set for them as well.

Now I’m MyNBA you can control all 30 teams and go into gameplan and make the adjustments for every team. Time consuming but it’s a fix sorta.

As for timeouts you may have to just switch over and then back. It’s pretty quick since the settings save on the user’s side. It’ll just be a quick switch then back.


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Ya I always did the same thing before game and in my nba as well as put their help d slider way up (which doesn’t work as of now), but they would switch every timeout. But I get it it’s a workaround for now. But not a great one because then it’s iso small ball on slow bigs and still no help. Ugh

I appreciate all the suggestions though as well as the 1 earlier.

[EarvGotti]

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Just came here to say that I am completely deflated. What once was my favorite 2K of all time is slowly becoming a game that I don't even feel like turning on anymore.

I don't know what changed after the season 2 update but the A.I cannot guard the pick and roll at all. Hedge man is just frozen and lets everything run by him. The last thing I wanted is this game to turn into 2K21 again but it feels like it. Drop pnr defense doesnt work, the offball spacing settings aren't registering properly. I just dont know, im super disappointed right now.

[Cowboyfan_19]

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Just came here to say that I am completely deflated. What once was my favorite 2K of all time is slowly becoming a game that I don't even feel like turning on anymore.

I don't know what changed after the season 2 update but the A.I cannot guard the pick and roll at all. Hedge man is just frozen and lets everything run by him. The last thing I wanted is this game to turn into 2K21 again but it feels like it. Drop pnr defense doesnt work, the offball spacing settings aren't registering properly. I just dont know, im super disappointed right now.

My thoughts exactly. As a casual online 5 v 5 player, I was routing guys and blowing out a lot of opponents, and now games are so much closer than they should be. A lot of it was what you mentioned in terms of it feeling similar to 2k21's negative aspects. I usually alternate between 2k & MLB the show, but I had taken about a week off from 2k, and after playing a few games of 2k22, I no longer feel like the sim crowd is going to support the gameplay.



This game was my favorite 2k out of the box BY FAR (Including 2k11 & 2k16), but now, it took a huge turn for the worse.

[el jimmy]

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Just came here to say that I am completely deflated. What once was my favorite 2K of all time is slowly becoming a game that I don't even feel like turning on anymore.

I don't know what changed after the season 2 update but the A.I cannot guard the pick and roll at all. Hedge man is just frozen and lets everything run by him. The last thing I wanted is this game to turn into 2K21 again but it feels like it. Drop pnr defense doesnt work, the offball spacing settings aren't registering properly. I just dont know, im super disappointed right now.

It was well before season 2, they took out cutter help and chase ai sometime around October 1st. Those things are directly responsible for the terrible cpu defence and overy boring 2k21 like gameplay.

[amioran]

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This is a switch everything type of defense and it fixes the hedge man not stepping up on the ball handler. You can do this every time before the game starts or you can set them once for MyNBA mode.

But in this way you have a mismatch practically everytime that's as easy to exploit as the PNR is right now. In fact the same lack of help defense is what makes mismatches so easy to exploit.