Please turn the help defense, and cutter help defense back to were it was on release

[ataman5]

Re: Please turn the help defense, and cutter help defense back to were it was on rele

Although still issues that probably won’t be addressed til 23 sadly.

We had defensive rotations already though but... A big LOL right, Vann.

[vannwolfhawk]

Re: Please turn the help defense, and cutter help defense back to were it was on rele

Vann,

Can you send a link to your roster and sliders XBox next gen?

It’s in my signature to thread. But gamertag is vannwolfhawk206. Xbox next gen

[vannwolfhawk]

Re: Please turn the help defense, and cutter help defense back to were it was on rele

We had defensive rotations already though but... A big LOL right, Vann.

The thing we had was that initial help and somewhat tag on cutter that they changed which made for overall better rotations and made us have to pass around. That 1 thing they took away on the cutter and roll hurt us here. If they don’t bring it back then this is what we will have for the duration of 22. It wasn’t perfect but it was at least better than what we have now. I just don’t see 2k going back because then the other side will be unhappy. So hence why I think it won’t be fixed until 23.

[Reddcheese]

Re: Please turn the help defense, and cutter help defense back to were it was on rele

The thing we had was that initial help and somewhat tag on cutter that they changed which made for overall better rotations and made us have to pass around. That 1 thing they took away on the cutter and roll hurt us here. If they don’t bring it back then this is what we will have for the duration of 22. It wasn’t perfect but it was at least better than what we have now. I just don’t see 2k going back because then the other side will be unhappy. So hence why I think it won’t be fixed until 23.

I just don’t see why they’d improve this for 2k23 though as the pendejos aren’t going be any more prepared to play sim next year.

They might have the cajones to advertise defensive improvements at launch and even get old Czary boy back to get us all pumped up with a few September streams.

How could you trust them though? I feel PNRgate was such a pivotal moment for us sim guys. Either 2k did some duplicitous corporate ish at launch to get us to buy or they finally made the realisation that sim basketball isn’t for the masses.

Either way unless they are able to split the game or at the very least get defensive settings to work I ain’t buying again.

[vannwolfhawk]

Re: Please turn the help defense, and cutter help defense back to were it was on rele

I just don’t see why they’d improve this for 2k23 though as the pendejos aren’t going be any more prepared to play sim next year.

They might have the cajones to advertise defensive improvements at launch and even get old Czary boy back to get us all pumped up with a few September streams.

How could you trust them though? I feel PNRgate™️ �� was such a pivotal moment for us sim guys. Either 2k did some duplicitous corporate ish at launch to get us to buy or made they finally made the realisation that sim basketball isn’t for the masses.

Either way unless they are able to split the game or at the very least get defensive settings to work I ain’t buying again.

Lol! If I were a betting man and Vegas knows that I am, I’d bet that’s exactly what they do by splitting updates. Id also bet we hear about all the pnr defense fixes in the blog with mentions of a tag and proper drop coverage. Who wants part of this action?

[Reddcheese]

Re: Please turn the help defense, and cutter help defense back to were it was on rele

Lol! If I were a betting man and Vegas knows that I am, I’d bet that’s exactly what they do by splitting updates. Id also bet we hear about all the pnr defense fixes in the blog with mentions of a tag and proper drop coverage. Who wants part of this action?

I reckon that’s what will go down aswell. 2k is a proper manipulative corporation now.

What’s good for me is I might get a job there in marketing as I think I’ll be able to get all you optimists to buy one last time.

Maybe you should put in an application to Vann. I heard if you’re an employee you get to play the game with whatever hardcoded settings you want.

That’s why Czar went AWOL! He’s got the 2k22 PnR edition and is deep into the 24-25 season on MYNBA. Logged about 1500 hrs so far.

[ataman5]

Re: Please turn the help defense, and cutter help defense back to were it was on rele

So after reading all these from the courtside what should we think about the game we bought and played for a while then...





Courtside Defense Part: https://nba.2k.com/courtside-report/nba-2k22-gameplay

[vannwolfhawk]

Re: Please turn the help defense, and cutter help defense back to were it was on rele

I reckon that’s what will go down aswell. 2k is a proper manipulative corporation now.

What’s good for me is I might get a job there in marketing as I think I’ll be able to get all you optimists to buy one last time.

Maybe you should put in an application to Vann. I heard if you’re an employee you get to play the game with whatever hardcoded settings you want.

That’s why Czar went AWOL! He’s got the 2k22 PnR edition and is deep into the 24-25 season on MYNBA. Logged about 1500 hrs so far.

Haha! Ya if they allowed me to play with uncoded stuff then I’d be all in. Not a fan of the hard coded as we all know! Lol

I get it though. I shelved last year. But I’m fully aware this is now 2 years in a row of same issue after the blog praising defensive fixes. I can see how everyone feels misled. I feel like this is the 1 thing holding this game from being great again. I don’t have any other complaints at all really. But this is kind of a big 1 which is frustrating.

I just like and think transparency goes along ways. I don’t like that we are the ones who have to test to see what works and what doesn’t or test this or that. I don’t like things in the game if they don’t work. It’s misleading and waste of time. Just tell us or don’t add it in so we can carry on. I mean at this pace this thread will be 300 pages by 2k23 and testing after every patch hoping something gets fixed. But at what point do they start focusing on 23 anyways? But I’m sure they already have in some aspects. So, I was once optimistic for a fix this year but it’s fading quickly.

[xCoachDx]

Re: Please turn the help defense, and cutter help defense back to were it was on rele

The problem that needs to be addressed moving forward, which I really hope is their plan, is to really be able to make rotation adjustments on each matchup. I want to be able to pick No Help off of Steph Curry. I want to immediately double from the weak side if I’m playing Shaq and he posts up. BUT, I don’t want to rotate off of Kobe and leave him open. If that combination does something screwy and leaves something open, so be it! That’s my fault because i set it up that way.

I never understood why we could make timeout adjustments for ONE PLAYER (run off line, boxes and elbows, etc.) but not be able to for multiple players. Why can’t I run Curry off the line and play Kyle Thompson physical? I think that could solve a lot of problems just by doing that. Even if the default rotations aren’t great.

Take the issue of the ball side corner stepping into help on a middle pick and roll from the wing. It can do that by default (even if that’s not realistic rotation), but if one of the players that I have set to “No Help Off” is over there, they won’t step in to help.

I really hope they do a major overhaul of the adjustments and give us more control over all of it. Czar alluded to that to some extent weeks ago, but I hope they really follow through with it.

[vannwolfhawk]

Re: Please turn the help defense, and cutter help defense back to were it was on rele

So after reading all these from the courtside what should we think about the game we bought and played for a while then...





Courtside Defense Part: https://nba.2k.com/courtside-report/nba-2k22-gameplay

Wow! I just re read that blog. Freedom of movement, catch hedge defender rewritten, rewritten help and cutter defense and cpu players AI knowing where to be all the time. I mean… so much to unpack to where it was at launch and today as well that doesn’t go with anything said in this blog. Loss of words…

[ataman5]

Re: Please turn the help defense, and cutter help defense back to were it was on rele

Wow! I just re read that blog. Freedom of movement, catch hedge defender rewritten, rewritten help and cutter defense and cpu players AI knowing where to be all the time. I mean… so much to unpack to where it was at launch and today as well that doesn’t go with anything said in this blog. Loss of words…

That's what i have been meaning about 2k and 'welcome to my world' saying.

I feel bad after these, i'm definitely a sucker for them right? Aren't we all feeling the same after re-reading all these. Or let's think of someone who will now read and get the game based on this throughout the year so what's this really!? Any proper way of saying it, carefully enough?

Edit: Big bold ... maybe.

[vannwolfhawk]

Re: Please turn the help defense, and cutter help defense back to were it was on rele

That's what i have been meaning about 2k and 'welcome to my world' saying.

I feel bad after these, i'm definitely a sucker for them right? Aren't we all feeling the same after re-reading all these. Or let's think of someone who will now read and get the game based on this throughout the year so what's this really!? Any proper way of saying it, carefully enough?

Edit: Big bold ... maybe.

Oh I get it. I remember reading that blog originally and being pretty pumped. To be honest I think I preordered it after that 1? I also remember in the thread comments like “I’ll reserve right to see if implemented correctly” and “until they ruin it through a patch” comments that always get destroyed. Lol It is crazy to re read that today though with game in current state. Very misleading.

[Baebae32]

Re: Please turn the help defense, and cutter help defense back to were it was on rele

The problem that needs to be addressed moving forward, which I really hope is their plan, is to really be able to make rotation adjustments on each matchup. I want to be able to pick No Help off of Steph Curry. I want to immediately double from the weak side if I’m playing Shaq and he posts up. BUT, I don’t want to rotate off of Kobe and leave him open. If that combination does something screwy and leaves something open, so be it! That’s my fault because i set it up that way.

I never understood why we could make timeout adjustments for ONE PLAYER (run off line, boxes and elbows, etc.) but not be able to for multiple players. Why can’t I run Curry off the line and play Kyle Thompson physical? I think that could solve a lot of problems just by doing that. Even if the default rotations aren’t great.

Take the issue of the ball side corner stepping into help on a middle pick and roll from the wing. It can do that by default (even if that’s not realistic rotation), but if one of the players that I have set to “No Help Off” is over there, they won’t step in to help.

I really hope they do a major overhaul of the adjustments and give us more control over all of it. Czar alluded to that to some extent weeks ago, but I hope they really follow through with it.

This is the big problem in my opinion. The help defense was always sub par but you were somewhat able to mitigate the most frustrating parts with changing your individual settings. We should be able to cook up schemes as we see fit and if we screw ourselves over in the process then so be it thats baksetball

Bringing back defensive settings (that work) is a must going forward. Would love to see this game digging back in on the strategy side of basketball. How many times are they going to slightly change the gameplay controls and call it an update? At least on the NBA side users need more control with in game strategy.

Its sad to hear Czar say that menu optimizatin and thimgs of the like for important in game features arent a priority. I hope they can at least take one cycle to give those things some much needed TLC.

[CujoMatty]

Re: Please turn the help defense, and cutter help defense back to were it was on rele

Haha! Ya if they allowed me to play with uncoded stuff then I’d be all in. Not a fan of the hard coded as we all know! Lol

I get it though. I shelved last year. But I’m fully aware this is now 2 years in a row of same issue after the blog praising defensive fixes. I can see how everyone feels misled. I feel like this is the 1 thing holding this game from being great again. I don’t have any other complaints at all really. But this is kind of a big 1 which is frustrating.

I just like and think transparency goes along ways. I don’t like that we are the ones who have to test to see what works and what doesn’t or test this or that. I don’t like things in the game if they don’t work. It’s misleading and waste of time. Just tell us or don’t add it in so we can carry on. I mean at this pace this thread will be 300 pages by 2k23 and testing after every patch hoping something gets fixed. But at what point do they start focusing on 23 anyways? But I’m sure they already have in some aspects. So, I was once optimistic for a fix this year but it’s fading quickly.

I think the good news is the possibility it can be acceptable is there. Sounds like most here would be satisfied with it going back to how it was at launch and at the very least it's nice to know that is a possibility if 2k would make that decision.

Last year on the other hand we just knew that pnr was broken and we had to deal with it. It is something I appreciated Czar did last year he came out and admitted it wasn't where it needed to be and that it wasn't going to be fixed in 2k21. Instead of waiting around hoping for a fix, I just learned to deal with it.

But just cause I'll point out the other side of that. If 2k doesn't decide to revert the changes it's heartbreaking to know there's a good game in there we can't play. Ask the few of us who were NBA Live 19 fans. Patch 4 gutted any of the fun out of that game and it was so frustrating to have to live with that.

[vannwolfhawk]

Re: Please turn the help defense, and cutter help defense back to were it was on rele

I think the good news is the possibility it can be acceptable is there. Sounds like most here would be satisfied with it going back to how it was at launch and at the very least it's nice to know that is a possibility if 2k would make that decision.

Last year on the other hand we just knew that pnr was broken and we had to deal with it. It is something I appreciated Czar did last year he came out and admitted it wasn't where it needed to be and that it wasn't going to be fixed in 2k21. Instead of waiting around hoping for a fix, I just learned to deal with it.

But just cause I'll point out the other side of that. If 2k doesn't decide to revert the changes it's heartbreaking to know there's a good game in there we can't play. Ask the few of us who were NBA Live 19 fans. Patch 4 gutted any of the fun out of that game and it was so frustrating to have to live with that.

Oh I agree. It sucks! Czar last year was easy because it wasn’t on him and he picked it up late. This year is different as he had a whole cycle to fix it but it’s not. I’m frustrated like everyone else and it’s not ok to be honest. But what do you do but complain about it in a thread all year (which I probably will until it’s fixed). Lol Especially because just adding a tag on cutter helps us tremendously. It’s literally a 1 mode against the other to help or stay and seems nothing will change that until they separate the two. So trying to just set my expectations low and then be hopefully pleasantly surprised at some point…