Please turn the help defense, and cutter help defense back to were it was on release

[vannwolfhawk]

Re: Please turn the help defense, and cutter help defense back to were it was on rele

You’re saying they did another update today, and screwed it up even MORE?!

No update for me.

It’s crazy. Update 1.7 was the worst update in history, massive glitches introduced across the board, loading screens to select teams still go black, crashing halftime shows, etc etc. And it’s the longest patch run they’ve had yet. Going on 2 weeks.

Yes, there was and update yesterday (I didn’t try it) then today again. Like Mike said it’s roster updates, sliders, game tweaks not a patch.

Funny thing though I was just going in and testing some playbooks before going final with some teams and in the practice plays I saw rotations but when I play now I get no rotations. As I was testing some plays 1 think that was driving me crazy though was help would shade towards the pass out, then just leave back to his man. Lol never played the 1st pass which gave me wide open shot instead of the extra pass. I’ve said numerous times it’s the X out logic and scrambles that are bad. They need to play the 1st pass. Instead they send the guy who should play 1 more back to his man and then super fast recoveries for the original defender. At least they somewhat rotated but the logic is so bad! But again when I play in a play now I get no help. At least they are trying but good lord there are unrealistic band aids everywhere (did anyone notice pass speed slowed down too? LOL)!

One thing I don’t think 2k understands is these band aids kill the cpu game. They can’t drive and kick because no one is open with no help or fast recoveries and they end up forcing there way to the hoop. It effects more than just the user. Some we can fix in sliders but the help is the main problem for cpu ai on both offense and defense.

1 example is the cpu defenders are fighting through all on ball (and more importantly for both the user and cpu) and off ball now leaving the cpu offensive players not taking shots because they are all contested and not open coming of pu downs or double staggers. There is 0 balance here. It’s like they are just throwing **** against the wall and hoping it sticks.

[vannwolfhawk]

Re: Please turn the help defense, and cutter help defense back to were it was on rele

I can tolerate this defense

https://twitter.com/fadessgaming/sta...865228291?s=21

Not bad… they clearly tweaked recovery speed. But if they can do that then they can tag and recover on PNR’s as well.

[Mikelopedia]

Re: Please turn the help defense, and cutter help defense back to were it was on rele

I've been playing a lot of user v user games over the last week, so I can't nail down with any consistency what exactly has changed and where it's current state is, especially because I'm using the BLEEP out of the L1 Call for Help button and that has contributed to a much better overall experience (again can't control AI opponents) particularly in user v user. However, it is clear that they are absolutely making baby steps, which I'm gonna go ahead and take as a win and try to 180 and remain positive. Yes, communication is non existent, yes we have to hypothesize ourselves over sometimes phantom changes, yes this whole mess was brought about by bowing to the mouth breathing butchers of "basketball" making video game changes rather than basketball changes, and yes the game's current state is not anywhere as good as it was at launch, BUT it's obvious that the fight is not lost.

Clearly more things broke than intended when 2k tried to take a couple steps back to balance something, and it's been a 3-4 week uphill battle since. But I'll take baby steps at the end of October over 2 middle fingers and a see you next September lol.

We all agree they should have left it alone and made other changes to seek their balance rather than remove the number 1 gameplay feature that sold most of us on 2k22, and yes I'm still angry about that, but with slider and roster adjustments I'm having a great time with this game at the moment as of yesterday and today, again mostly user v user.

As long as it's upward and onward, get the foundation right, and build on it. PLEASE 2k lol. I know it seems like madness, but these guys who wanna throw 101 mph darts to the opposite corner, I PROMISE you they will get over it if there's some more loft on that pass and the emphasis is on helping the helper. They will find something else to complain about and will all the while still stream and make videos.

[vannwolfhawk]

Re: Please turn the help defense, and cutter help defense back to were it was on rele

I've been playing a lot of user v user games over the last week, so I can't nail down with any consistency what exactly has changed and where it's current state is, especially because I'm using the BLEEP out of the L1 Call for Help button and that has contributed to a much better overall experience (again can't control AI opponents) particularly in user v user. However, it is clear that they are absolutely making baby steps, which I'm gonna go ahead and take as a win and try to 180 and remain positive. Yes, communication is non existent, yes we have to hypothesize ourselves over sometimes phantom changes, yes this whole mess was brought about by bowing to the mouth breathing butchers of "basketball" making video game changes rather than basketball changes, and yes the game's current state is not anywhere as good as it was at launch, BUT it's obvious that the fight is not lost.

Clearly more things broke than intended when 2k tried to take a couple steps back to balance something, and it's been a 3-4 week uphill battle since. But I'll take baby steps at the end of October over 2 middle fingers and a see you next September lol.

We all agree they should have left it alone and made other changes to seek their balance rather than remove the number 1 gameplay feature that sold most of us on 2k22, and yes I'm still angry about that, but with slider and roster adjustments I'm having a great time with this game at the moment as of yesterday and today, again mostly user v user.

As long as it's upward and onward, get the foundation right, and build on it. PLEASE 2k lol. I know it seems like madness, but these guys who wanna throw 101 mph darts to the opposite corner, I PROMISE you they will get over it if there's some more loft on that pass and the emphasis is on helping the helper. They will find something else to complain about and will all the while still stream and make videos.

I agree, they are trying. I’ll take that as well. The problem is 2 days from now another update will come (which we still need because it’s unbalanced as of now) but who knows what we get then. And if it does get dialed in who knows if another change screws it up again. These updates are crazy and every update I feel the difference and have to go into my sliders every time.

All I want is proper help defense. No nerfs. It’s killing user Vs cpu in every way. I loved the game at launch with slider adjustments. This I don’t at all. I want to though that’s why I’m here 103 pages later. Some probably think I’m complaining but really it’s all feedback. Hoping it gets fixed and tweaked so we can enjoy the next 10 months of basketball. I’m praying they are working on a permanent fix through a patch and we can lose these band aids though! But I can see how this update might appease the user Vs user crowd so that’s good for you guys if so. But the user cpu guys this AInt the update we have been waiting for. Not even close!

[el jimmy]

Re: Please turn the help defense, and cutter help defense back to were it was on rele

I'm just not seeing it guys, I start a gam or scrimmage and run a Pnr..

Bucket either from the drive or roll man.

Same ol' same ol'

[Mikelopedia]

Re: Please turn the help defense, and cutter help defense back to were it was on rele

I agree, they are trying. I’ll take that as well. The problem is 2 days from now another update will come (which we still need because it’s unbalanced as of now) but who knows what we get then. And if it does get dialed in who knows if another change screws it up again. These updates are crazy and every update I feel the difference and have to go into my sliders every time.

All I want is proper help defense. No nerfs. It’s killing user Vs cpu in every way. I loved the game at launch with slider adjustments. This I don’t at all. I want to though that’s why I’m here 103 pages later. Some probably think I’m complaining but really it’s all feedback. Hoping it gets fixed and tweaked so we can enjoy the next 10 months of basketball. I’m praying they are working on a permanent fix through a patch and we can lose these band aids though! But I can see how this update might appease the user Vs user crowd so that’s good for you guys if so. But the user cpu guys this AInt the update we have been waiting for. Not even close!

Oh no I agree, that's why I'm saying please, onward and upward lol.
Im a CPU guy too, I just set it aside for a week outa frustration and with the hope that whenever I finish my offline roster and am ready to start a MyNBA of my own, we'll be in a better place than we are now.

Fortunately all my opponents are sim heads in my online league and for years we're used to finding ways of making the game feel better than it is lol.

[49UNCFan]

Re: Please turn the help defense, and cutter help defense back to were it was on rele

I'm just not seeing it guys, I start a gam or scrimmage and run a Pnr..



Bucket either from the drive or roll man.



Same ol' same ol'

Chance the off ball settings to moderate is first thing

[Johnnythelegend]

Re: Please turn the help defense, and cutter help defense back to were it was on rele

I just don't understand why don't they give us the options to adjust the gaming according to our play style. Okay, pro's, online, park crowd whatever you wanna call them don't want the realistic help defence because people they are playing against will punish it unrealistically efficient so let them modify help defence as they wish and on the other hand, let us who are playing mostly against the CPU who want as realistic experience as it gets the option to adjust help defence to our "needs".

[vannwolfhawk]

Re: Please turn the help defense, and cutter help defense back to were it was on rele

Oh no I agree, that's why I'm saying please, onward and upward lol.
Im a CPU guy too, I just set it aside for a week outa frustration and with the hope that whenever I finish my offline roster and am ready to start a MyNBA of my own, we'll be in a better place than we are now.

Fortunately all my opponents are sim heads in my online league and for years we're used to finding ways of making the game feel better than it is lol.

I’m doing the exact same. Been working on roster and playbooks the whole time so it’s not a huge deal to me YET! But we are close to done in the next week or 2 and that’s when I’ll have an issue. Lol! I try it out, then don’t play til the next update, just edit instead. But it will be demoralizing to put in 2 months of work to clean up the roster, tendencies, and playbooks to them have a unplayable game! Fingers crossed but like you said we haven’t got the middle finger yet although a lack of any word on the issue kind of is the big bird! Lol But at least we can see changes in the updates whether I like them or not…

[vannwolfhawk]

Re: Please turn the help defense, and cutter help defense back to were it was on rele

I just don't understand why don't they give us the options to adjust the gaming according to our play style. Okay, pro's, online, park crowd whatever you wanna call them don't want the realistic help defence because people they are playing against will punish it unrealistically efficient so let them modify help defence as they wish and on the other hand, let us who are playing mostly against the CPU who want as realistic experience as it gets the option to adjust help defence to our "needs".

That’s what’s crazy is the sliders for help defense don’t do anything. Then we have settings for this they can change yet they don’t work or are turned off. Add a tag the roller setting. They don’t want a tag then turn it off. That’s what’s crazy how madden adds big updates with added features and 2k never does and this is a emergency! lol I don’t get it either. Seemed like a easy change to me.

[CujoMatty]

Re: Please turn the help defense, and cutter help defense back to were it was on rele

Just played a game and saw no difference whatsoever.

Beat Utah by 43 on superstar.

Defense by CPU was terrible.

PNR for easy buckets at will.

I set the single game record for made threes by RJ Barrett with 15 made. (I will say that had a super cool cut scene with his teammates all congratulating him.)

I feel like maybe 2k has decided the single player myNBA experience is dead because I'm shocked they haven't reverted the changes they have made. This game reminds me of early 2000s NBA Live arcadey dunk fests. The 2k ive known and loved would not want that.

I made the best out of last year with house rules but I can't do it again. I wasn't thrilled with the crazy fast lateral movements and closing speeds at launch but it was way better than what we have now.

Please change back.

[vannwolfhawk]

Re: Please turn the help defense, and cutter help defense back to were it was on rele

Like I have said at nauseam, they are trying to fix the issues with band aids like with chase down blocks, steals, slower passes, slowed down dribbling and game speed, pass interceptions, brick wall on ball, defenders flying under screens on ball and off ball like they never happened and they are ignoring the big issue with help defense. Some of that I don’t mind though as I like a tougher cpu defense. Plus we have some sliders to balance it out. None of that can stop us from driving or getting to the paint though. The same issues are there when we get there. No help.

I remember czar saying years ago we need to solve basketball video game problems with real basketball solutions. Did something change? Because a real basketball solution is fix the defense, help, scrambles, sliders, players speed, drop coverage, settings, etc! Band aiding everything unrealistically is not a real basketball solution it’s a video game solution that’s making it worse.

[strosdood]

Re: Please turn the help defense, and cutter help defense back to were it was on rele

Like I have said at nauseam, they are trying to fix the issues with band aids like with chase down blocks, steals, slower passes, slowed down dribbling and game speed, pass interceptions, brick wall on ball, defenders flying under screens on ball and off ball like they never happened and they are ignoring the big issue with help defense. Some of that I don’t mind though as I like a tougher cpu defense. Plus we have some sliders to balance it out. None of that can stop us from driving or getting to the paint though. The same issues are there when we get there. No help.



I remember czar saying years ago we need to solve basketball video game problems with real basketball solutions. Did something change? Because a real basketball solution is fix the defense, help, scrambles, sliders, players speed, drop coverage, settings, etc! Band aiding everything unrealistically is not a real basketball solution it’s a video game solution that’s making it worse.

Czar has fallen off the face of the earth so he’s either sick (hope not) or something don’t smell right over there cause he’s always been super active on social media about 2K


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[AIRJ23]

Re: Please turn the help defense, and cutter help defense back to were it was on rele

Just played a game and saw no difference whatsoever.

Beat Utah by 43 on superstar.

Defense by CPU was terrible.

PNR for easy buckets at will.

I set the single game record for made threes by RJ Barrett with 15 made. (I will say that had a super cool cut scene with his teammates all congratulating him.)

I feel like maybe 2k has decided the single player myNBA experience is dead because I'm shocked they haven't reverted the changes they have made. This game reminds me of early 2000s NBA Live arcadey dunk fests. The 2k ive known and loved would not want that.

I made the best out of last year with house rules but I can't do it again. I wasn't thrilled with the crazy fast lateral movements and closing speeds at launch but it was way better than what we have now.

Please change back.

Amongst all the other garbage and glitches patch 1.7 introduced, 2K states “dunking in traffic will be easier even without using the dunk meter option.” Like NO, the relative rarity of that compared to 2K21’s arcade dunk fest was one of the big selling points of this game. 2K21 got panned relentlessly yet they keep undoing their supposed “ground up engine” to just emulate 2K21 more and more. Now I’m getting dunks after dunks like 2K21. Before the patch I finally started cheering when I dunked, it actually felt satisfying.

[ataman5]

Re: Please turn the help defense, and cutter help defense back to were it was on rele

Like I have said at nauseam, they are trying to fix the issues with band aids like with chase down blocks, steals, slower passes, slowed down dribbling and game speed, pass interceptions, brick wall on ball, defenders flying under screens on ball and off ball like they never happened and they are ignoring the big issue with help defense. Some of that I don’t mind though as I like a tougher cpu defense. Plus we have some sliders to balance it out. None of that can stop us from driving or getting to the paint though. The same issues are there when we get there. No help.

I remember czar saying years ago we need to solve basketball video game problems with real basketball solutions. Did something change? Because a real basketball solution is fix the defense, help, scrambles, sliders, players speed, drop coverage, settings, etc! Band aiding everything unrealistically is not a real basketball solution it’s a video game solution that’s making it worse.

I have either a thread or a detailed post from 2 years ago or something which was about how developers disrespect to their own creation of their own work, which is a disgrace to what they do, how much they worked to do and on and on.. (PS: There is no intention of one developper or Czar here but everyone of the gameplay developers at 2k.)

So about your question, i've been saying for a long time here on OS on all of my old posts that 2k has been going on the wrong road and they got too far away from their own roots and how they became the "#1 Sim Basketball Game" motto to what this is now. Again to the answer of your legitimate question, yes it has changed for a good amount of time since the end patch of 17.

The bad news is that they are not even aware of it and they have all the "excuses" to make them feel good/relaxed about themselves all that mambo jambo of excuses once you see the phrase starting "how hard it is to code etc."(which is hard but 'deleting' a creation that you applied, NO, NO my friend you're not being legitimate and sincere of your own case here.) what they do just by thinking and saying that the majority wants this (BS) over that (Natural Basketball) and all good with them as they get the feedback off of social media and its so called comp or so called influencers of their game.