Please turn the help defense, and cutter help defense back to were it was on release

[Lagoa]

Re: Please turn the help defense, and cutter help defense back to were it was on rele

https://youtu.be/fnpHI_QxZEE

Speed is the main problem with this game. Then help defense a close second. The cap on speed with ball is insulting.

Yep! I´m working on sliders with this focus, speed!

[loso_34]

Re: Please turn the help defense, and cutter help defense back to were it was on rele

https://youtu.be/fnpHI_QxZEE

Speed is the main problem with this game. Then help defense a close second. The cap on speed with ball is insulting.

Seems like the community is fine with these blocks as they believe offence is OP lol.

[nuckles2k2]

Re: Please turn the help defense, and cutter help defense back to were it was on rele

I'm ok with on ball d not being difficult (apart from when it should be, i.e facing a good perimeter defender). As someone mentioned earlier in this thread, in the real life NBA defenders get beaten off the dribble quite often.

The difference (as stated in this thread) is the help d and rotations behind that beaten defender. Which of course we no longer have in nba2k22.

I honestly don't think 2k has realised just how much damage they've done by hoodwinking the Sim community this year. Even if they fix the help d and reinstate the defence (which they won't, the 2k league is too important money wise to them) I'm still not buying the game next year unless it's on sale months after release and I can confirm the game is playable offline after patches.

From what I've seen on this site and social media, this is true for a lot of people. Eventually 2k's chickens will come home to roost.

At this point, we've done more work on the help d topic in this thread since 2k have since the patch lol.

Been there for a few years now.

It sucks man. Especially after my Knicks started playing competent hoops and exciting basketball again, all I wanna do is fire up 2K and run a MyLeague with them. Turn RJ into the 2-way wing that I know (hope like hell) he can be consistently.

Nope tho.

Been burned by 2K/Visial Concepts/Take Two (by proxy) too many times.

How I used to be here with 2K:



Now, their actions over the past 7+ cycles got me like:



Props/congrats to those unaffected by / willing to turn a blind eye to what this game is at this point.

[alabamarob]

Re: Please turn the help defense, and cutter help defense back to were it was on rele

Seems like the community is fine with these blocks as they believe offence is OP lol.

Well. If you can’t get the speed differentials of a player right, then the game will be no good. That is any sport. So if 65 speed is more then 95 speed with ball. You have a bogus and trash game.

[amioran]

Re: Please turn the help defense, and cutter help defense back to were it was on rele

Yep! I´m working on sliders with this focus, speed!

And how are you going to do it since the Speed w/Ball sliders don't actually work? The movement speed with the ball is intentionally capped in the code so that defenders can catch up and close up on shooters (the motive I mentioned in a precedent post) and to stop the too easy to score points on the fastbreak.

If you alter the speed attributes it will affect also off-ball movement and if you try to play with game speed you also affect pace, jump shot speed and passing speed.

Apart from this, then, it's not only the speed with ball the problem but it has also much to do with slow animations and overall the gameplay being tied to canned animations instead than actual physics. 2K sorely lacks a proper physics engine and such a thing would be totally unacceptable if not for the fact that the majority of the user base doesn't even notice it as they don't want to actually play a game of basketball.

Sadly I think we are stuck with this simply because the movement with ball being so low in comparison with off-ball is intentionally hard coded as a band aid to resolve many other issues that plague the game from a lot of time (game engine made from scratch my a** - sorry but I couldn't resist).

[el jimmy]

Re: Please turn the help defense, and cutter help defense back to were it was on rele

Been there for a few years now.

It sucks man. Especially after my Knicks started playing competent hoops and exciting basketball again, all I wanna do is fire up 2K and run a MyLeague with them. Turn RJ into the 2-way wing that I know (hope like hell) he can be consistently.

Nope tho.

Been burned by 2K/Visial Concepts/Take Two (by proxy) too many times.

How I used to be here with 2K:



Now, their actions over the past 7+ cycles got me like:



Props/congrats to those unaffected by / willing to turn a blind eye to what this game is at this point.

I feel you man, my hornets are seemingly good for the first time in forever and all I wanna do is run with them in Mynba.

Money really is the root of all evil lol

[Antonioshellz]

Re: Please turn the help defense, and cutter help defense back to were it was on rele

I hopped into scrimmage mode this morning to play around.

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[zizoux]

Re: Please turn the help defense, and cutter help defense back to were it was on rele

Too late to this thread.
Sorry to ask but has the help defense on current gen been affected by the patch 1.05? I'm currently on patch 1.04 on PC. I won't update it if it is so

[Becanes]

Re: Please turn the help defense, and cutter help defense back to were it was on rele

I think the update did a little bit to help out. Not saying it's consistent but take a look.

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[vannwolfhawk]

Re: Please turn the help defense, and cutter help defense back to were it was on rele

Just tried this update after seeing the video posted above and the update today. They are band aiding again. I had to put my player speed up to 68 (yep 68) because they completely nerfed the speed. I refuse to play in slow motion as it does not represent today’s pace of game. Scores are lower, less possessions, and plays run too slow. Plus it severely slowed the dribbling down to past games which was 1 of the best parts of this game IMO is the dribbling responsiveness.

Anyways, they then brought back the super fast unrealistic going under PNR’s (at default) again, but the big does seem to drop better slightly and play a better angle now. But saw some small ball gone as looney was brick walling chris paul like 3x in a row. Also had looney 1 hand steal on 2 passes on the roll. Ok I get it they are trying to at least get tougher d like at launch although unrealistically.

So, then I started to dive in some more and started to run some different PNR’s and sets to stress test, then had like 6-7 wide open rolls in a row, then like 6 layups in a row. They called timeout twice. Never adjusted at all. I didn’t see help 1x! No tag once like the video above.

So, once again I’ll put the game down for another week until another update or patch comes out and then I’’ll try again. Stop band aid fixing the game! Fix the help defense! Why can madden add big updates and features throughout the year yet 2k never does or can’t? I just don’t understand…

[AIRJ23]

Re: Please turn the help defense, and cutter help defense back to were it was on rele

Just tried this update after seeing the video posted above and the update today. They are band aiding again. I had to put my player speed up to 68 (yep 68) because they completely nerfed the speed. I refuse to play in slow motion as it does not represent today’s pace of game. Scores are lower, less possessions, and plays run too slow. Plus it severely slowed the dribbling down to past games which was 1 of the best parts of this game IMO is the dribbling responsiveness.

Anyways, they then brought back the super fast unrealistic going under PNR’s (at default) again, but the big does seem to drop better slightly and play a better angle now. But saw some small ball gone as looney was brick walling chris paul like 3x in a row. Also had looney 1 hand steal on 2 passes on the roll. Ok I get it they are trying to at least get tougher d like at launch although unrealistically.

So, then I started to dive in some more and started to run some different PNR’s and sets to stress test, then had like 6-7 wide open rolls in a row, then like 6 layups in a row. They called timeout twice. Never adjusted at all. I didn’t see help 1x! No tag once like the video above.

So, once again I’ll put the game down for another week until another update or patch comes out and then I’’ll try again. Stop band aid fixing the game! Fix the help defense! Why can madden add big updates and features throughout the year yet 2k never does or can’t? I just don’t understand…

You’re saying they did another update today, and screwed it up even MORE?!

[AIRJ23]

Re: Please turn the help defense, and cutter help defense back to were it was on rele

No update for me.

It’s crazy. Update 1.7 was the worst update in history, massive glitches introduced across the board, loading screens to select teams still go black, crashing halftime shows, etc etc. And it’s the longest patch run they’ve had yet. Going on 2 weeks.

[49UNCFan]

Re: Please turn the help defense, and cutter help defense back to were it was on rele

Just finished playing

https://twitter.com/fadessgaming/status/1454300861300105220?s=21

[Mikelopedia]

Re: Please turn the help defense, and cutter help defense back to were it was on rele

No update for me.

It’s crazy. Update 1.7 was the worst update in history, massive glitches introduced across the board, loading screens to select teams still go black, crashing halftime shows, etc etc. And it’s the longest patch run they’ve had yet. Going on 2 weeks.

FYI, at least in this thread, most of the time when we say update, we are referring to the daily roster updates (which can include gameplay tweaks) and not patches.

[49UNCFan]

Re: Please turn the help defense, and cutter help defense back to were it was on rele

I can tolerate this defense

https://twitter.com/fadessgaming/status/1454304321865228291?s=21