Please turn the help defense, and cutter help defense back to were it was on release

[el jimmy]

Re: Please turn the help defense, and cutter help defense back to were it was on rele

The thing is no matter what resources hypothetically get committed to defense for 2k23, why would anyone expect anything other than a torpedoing of the Ussr-CPU experience a few weeks in in order to placate the so called competitive crowd. What will be different next year?

This. My confidence in visual concepts is dead. They had a near perfect basketball video game at launch that was critically praised by the media and the community. But as with previous 2k's they can't seem to help themselves and ruin the game with patches.

I'm starting to see more people (both online and off) notice the massive negative changes in the game and it seems the general consensus is now that the game was great at launch, but now terrible.

I mean regardless of the mode, saying defence was a focus and then removing it three weeks from launch is a waste of development time and our money.

[MoreThanAGamer]

Re: Please turn the help defense, and cutter help defense back to were it was on rele

Just came here to say that I am completely deflated. What once was my favorite 2K of all time is slowly becoming a game that I don't even feel like turning on anymore.

I don't know what changed after the season 2 update but the A.I cannot guard the pick and roll at all. Hedge man is just frozen and lets everything run by him. The last thing I wanted is this game to turn into 2K21 again but it feels like it. Drop pnr defense doesnt work, the offball spacing settings aren't registering properly. I just dont know, im super disappointed right now.

I have noticed it too. The PNR seems to play like it did in 2K21 a majority of the time. Funny thing is the defenders seem to want to react for a brief moment and then they stand down and let me go to the basket. I can see them flinch and then stop. But other times the picked player and the hedge defender slide into place and play perfect defense to stop my drive before I would reach the area where the help is supposed to come in. Sometimes they run me into the help and cause me to turn the ball over with something like a bump steal.



And players like Steph Curry can still be a clamp god at different moments. But overall I can see 2K21 PNR mechanics being implemented in 2k22.


Edit: I forgot to mention that the CPU seems to know that they can use the PNR with ease as well because they be killing me with it. I play MyCareer and I can only control one player. I look at my CPU defenders stand and turn their bodies and look at the CPU driving to the basket with ease..

[vannwolfhawk]

Re: Please turn the help defense, and cutter help defense back to were it was on rele

The thing is no matter what resources hypothetically get committed to defense for 2k23, why would anyone expect anything other than a torpedoing of the Ussr-CPU experience a few weeks in in order to placate the so called competitive crowd. What will be different next year?

I think part of the thought process with added help is that they could have the resources available to split the modes up for individual tweaking. They have to at this point. It’s ruined their game to not have it in at this point otherwise it’s just not for us anymore.

[Johnnythelegend]

Re: Please turn the help defense, and cutter help defense back to were it was on rele

The defense is rubbish. It's bad since they showed us that they are capable of creating a solid defense but it doesn't matter. Pro/online, whatever you call them, guys weren't happy about it and the game changed to fit their playstyle. And it really shows that they don't really care about how the sport really is implemented in the game as long as the guys who bring the most money are happy. I love basketball, it's my favourite sport by far but I didn't buy this year's version of the game for the first time since 2k9 and I am not planning on buying it because I don't support it. Too bad I am on console cause I'd just download one of the older 2k's, install modded new rosters and enjoy the game.

[nuckles2k2]

Re: Please turn the help defense, and cutter help defense back to were it was on rele

I think part of the thought process with added help is that they could have the resources available to split the modes up for individual tweaking. They have to at this point. It’s ruined their game to not have it in at this point otherwise it’s just not for us anymore.

It's not so much about the amount of help to delegate responsibilities across modes - it's about:

- the pre & post-launch focus from up top (above directors)
- task lists construction (after directors get guidelines)
- item/task assignment to be worked on (based on task priority; after guidelines considered)

Splitting up modes for individual tweaks would absolutely be a welcomed change, but even that concept alone has to make its way thru what I've called "priority triage" on projects I've worked on.

If splitting of modes/experiences can safely make it thru priority triage and actually get delegated out to devs to write the code to make it happen...then ok, "we" still matter in the grand scheme.

I got my doubts about that tho.

[vannwolfhawk]

Re: Please turn the help defense, and cutter help defense back to were it was on rele

It's not so much about the amount of help to delegate responsibilities across modes - it's about:

- the pre & post-launch focus from up top (above directors)
- task lists construction (after directors get guidelines)
- item/task assignment to be worked on (based on task priority; after guidelines considered)

Splitting up modes for individual tweaks would absolutely be a welcomed change, but even that concept alone has to make its way thru what I've called "priority triage" on projects I've worked on.

If splitting of modes/experiences can safely make it thru priority triage and actually get delegated out to devs to write the code to make it happen...then ok, "we" still matter in the grand scheme.

I got my doubts about that tho.

No, I completely get it. It has to be a priority and I think they know that.

When I say delegate more resources I mean we can’t just have a base defense in year 1 of development. We need the whole thing. We need tag the roller, we need x outs, we need scrambles, closeouts, run people of the line, we need defensive settings to work, we need defensive sliders to work, we need drop coverage, we need top coverage on shooters in staggers, and we need ACE to be updated as well as switch coverages by a play to play basis instead of timeout to timeout. That’s just way too much for any 1 man to do. Especially if that man is also in charge of offense and tendencies.

[AIRJ23]

Re: Please turn the help defense, and cutter help defense back to were it was on rele

This. My confidence in visual concepts is dead. They had a near perfect basketball video game at launch that was critically praised by the media and the community. But as with previous 2k's they can't seem to help themselves and ruin the game with patches.

I'm starting to see more people (both online and off) notice the massive negative changes in the game and it seems the general consensus is now that the game was great at launch, but now terrible.

I mean regardless of the mode, saying defence was a focus and then removing it three weeks from launch is a waste of development time and our money.

MyNBA now crashes for me at halftime since the latest patch.

This is probably the worst game I’ve ever played at this point. I just want to quietly enjoy offline MyNBA with my custom roster I spent weeks building and every update something else screws up. My previous MyNBA file wouldn’t even load games at all after the update. So 30 games in the trash. My new file crashes at halftime.

One thing after another with this game.

Can’t believe I’m saying this but as of now, 2K21 was a far better overall product. And 2K22 was the best 2K ever at launch.

[VictorMG]

Re: Please turn the help defense, and cutter help defense back to were it was on rele

MyNBA now crashes for me at halftime since the latest patch.

This is probably the worst game I’ve ever played at this point. I just want to quietly enjoy offline MyNBA with my custom roster I spent weeks building and every update something else screws up. My previous MyNBA file wouldn’t even load games at all after the update. So 30 games in the trash. My new file crashes at halftime.

One thing after another with this game.

Can’t believe I’m saying this but as of now, 2K21 was a far better overall product. And 2K22 was the best 2K ever at launch.

My dude... no disrespect, but for someone who trashes the game as much as you do, you sure do play it a lot. You should probably cut your losses and move on to other games you'd actually enjoy.

[strosdood]

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My dude... no disrespect, but for someone who trashes the game as much as you do, you sure do play it a lot. You should probably cut your losses and move on to other games you'd actually enjoy.

Don’t waste your breath, this has been ongoing since day 1, he has no place to complain anymore after all his dissatisfaction and yet still playing the game daily…….. he just likes to whine


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[AIRJ23]

Re: Please turn the help defense, and cutter help defense back to were it was on rele

My dude... no disrespect, but for someone who trashes the game as much as you do, you sure do play it a lot. You should probably cut your losses and move on to other games you'd actually enjoy.

Yeah it does suck when you put weeks into building a roster and a game can’t even make it past the halftime show. Or your MyNBA file gets corrupted. Or every update defense gets worse. How dareth I “trash” the game.

“2K sports: can’t play it? Spend money on something that ceases to exist? Cut your losses and move on.”

Not a great business model.

[kwabalicious]

Re: Please turn the help defense, and cutter help defense back to were it was on rele

Think of this. How many drift passes do we see every game? Then think why is there even a drift pass being made? Then think where does that drift pass go to 90% of the time? Help leaves the Weak side corner to take away the Layin and force the drift pass. Lol

It’s why coaches say swing the ball. Get the d to rotate and scramble and take the best shot not the 1st shot which is usually that weak side corner.

I do get though the pass to open 3 complaint. It can’t be that easy with 1 pass shot. Although it is like that irl on a tag and lift. But, thats why I was talking earlier about even when there was rotations the cpu wasn’t playing 1st pass out it was playing the extra pass instead. The exact opposite of what it should do.

I think one thing people don't understand is just how necessary and prevalent help defense is in the NBA. Help defense prevents at least a half a dozen wide open layups every possession, not to mention many open jumpshots.

It's easy to see the scrambling and ball movement that can sometimes result from help defense and think that you've simply signed up to give up an open jumpshot. In real life, the (vast) majority of these scramble scenarios occur because a defender rotated to take away an easy layup opportunity. Any lower-quality shot you can create from there is a success for the defense.

[rudyjuly2]

Re: Please turn the help defense, and cutter help defense back to were it was on rele

I think one thing people don't understand is just how necessary and prevalent help defense is in the NBA. Help defense prevents at least a half a dozen wide open layups every possession, not to mention many open jumpshots.

It's easy to see the scrambling and ball movement that can sometimes result from help defense and think that you've simply signed up to give up an open jumpshot. In real life, the (vast) majority of these scramble scenarios occur because a defender rotated to take away an easy layup opportunity. Any lower-quality shot you can create from there is a success for the defense.

Yup. You cant have brick wall perimeter Defense to be realistic. But to allow drives you need proper help defence or you get easy layups and no drive and kick game. And PNR as well as pick and pop is flawed right now.

I’m honestly still having fun though. Game is still a lot better than 2K21 imo. I never felt this game was perfect at release. It had some defensive cheats that acted as bandaids to be better at PNR defence but that still isn’t a true correction. I never even completed a single season in MyNBA last year (29 games). I did 8 seasons in 20. This game is likely in between somewhere.

[vannwolfhawk]

Re: Please turn the help defense, and cutter help defense back to were it was on rele

I think one thing people don't understand is just how necessary and prevalent help defense is in the NBA. Help defense prevents at least a half a dozen wide open layups every possession, not to mention many open jumpshots.

It's easy to see the scrambling and ball movement that can sometimes result from help defense and think that you've simply signed up to give up an open jumpshot. In real life, the (vast) majority of these scramble scenarios occur because a defender rotated to take away an easy layup opportunity. Any lower-quality shot you can create from there is a success for the defense.

Agree! This makes me think of 2 things.

1 - This is what makes the warriors so tough. Drive and kick but their bigs looking to screen in on Curry AFTER having to drive and kick as he relocates out on the screen in’s while his defender stops to watch ball for a split second. Then d catches on and they have a ton of pick & slips on the screen in’s. I call it out action.

2 - That’s also why running off the line in scrambles is so important which leads to so many shot fake and 1 dribble pull ups. One because of great scramble contests, and two because help is in the paint so you have to 1 dribble pull.

All lacking but like you said because of good defense. That’s just good basketball on both sides. That’s the rewarding part when scoring is when making the right read or having to make the extra pass. That’s where the fun factor is and when we have fun. Not in the 1 on 1 dribble moves! Not on the 1 pass shots! Not on basic PNR and easy layups or dunks!

Also 1 of the more rewarding things to do in this game is when in the pnr and the big catch hedges is using the snake dribble with Chris Paul and reading the help (that used to be in the game) and hitting that mid range pull up. It’s so much more satisfying and rewarding compared to the drive and then hitting the roll man or the wide open corner 3 with the drive and 1 pass kick for a shot.

The NBA is all about spacing offensively. Reason being is it’s harder to help and farther for defenders to have to go to tag, help and closeout, which in turn creates those extra pass wide open jumpers.

It’s all realistic basketball that we want. That’s what’s fun! That’s all the fun factor. Don’t play video games play basketball right?! But right now it’s playing video games and not basketball.

#nofun

[Smirkin Dirk]

Re: Please turn the help defense, and cutter help defense back to were it was on rele

Let’s not forget. This was year 1 of a multi year process.

They scrapped the skeleton of a functional defense after 2 weeks.

How many resources will be allocated to this for the 2k23 cycle?

Lol

[ataman5]

Re: Please turn the help defense, and cutter help defense back to were it was on rele

Let’s not forget. This was year 1 of a multi year process.

They scrapped the skeleton of a functional defense after 2 weeks.

How many resources will be allocated to this for the 2k23 cycle?

Lol

Let me guess Smirkin.. hmm