Please turn the help defense, and cutter help defense back to were it was on release

[el jimmy]

Re: Please turn the help defense, and cutter help defense back to were it was on rele

Aaaaand we're back. No challenge easy drives to the rim again. What the hell is going on at 2k? They improved the defence for giggles just for a day (or two) before changing it back? This is getting ridiculous..

[Agame]

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[DaWolf]

Re: Please turn the help defense, and cutter help defense back to were it was on rele

I think its at a low point right now - I score almost ALL of my points in the paint. Plus the magnetic On Ball D is back.



The fact that this thread became so big and we have zero reactions from the developers shows to me that they dont care about this audience.

[strosdood]

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This thread is absolute comedy lately…… it goes from everyone being mad, to satisfied to mad again in a 3 day period 🤣 I find it hard to believe they’re changing the game that much on a daily basis…….. there’s got to be some other variables involved that have people losing their mind over what is going on


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[Luke Skywalker]

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I hopped into scrimmage and literally burned everyone with KD. Before, it was a chore. I am done with 2K after this season. I only play now for Rec and that’s a whole different animal.

Maybe next year, but after I see reviews.

[nuckles2k2]

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This thread is absolute comedy lately…… it goes from everyone being mad, to satisfied to mad again in a 3 day period 🤣 I find it hard to believe they’re changing the game that much on a daily basis…….. there’s got to be some other variables involved that have people losing their mind over what is going on


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Haven't played a 2K for a min (actually came back to this thread this morning to see if there was a consensus on the improved gameplay....and it looks like its gone again)

Your disbelief in daily changes is fair...but 2K/VC are the ones who implemented those damn-near daily (return to main menu) hot fixes. Yes some people will say they are only roster-related, but:

1) how do they KNOW (belief is irrelevant).
2) change enough things in 2K's data tables and you'll see some funky stuff. Back in the 360 days, if too many things in a save file were changed via hex editing, that save file felt 100% diff post-edits. Revert to a save pre-edits / start a new file & everything felt 'normal'.

After seeing that is when I decided to only play 2Ks offline the rest of the time on 360 & PS4. Dunno what 2K's patches and fixes are changing, but maybe too many of them can (unintentionally & negatively) affect core gameplay (which, depending on the age of the codebase, is a possibility)

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I'm getting that itch to play a hoops game in my downtime tho. Thinking I might turn off auto-updates on the PS5 and go disc + no 'net for 2k22. That shouldn't have to be the case tho.

The fact that something that had to be done two console lifecycles ago has to be done again to avoid the game's dev studio's involvement is ridiculous.

That horse is dead tho. Not gonna keep hammering away at it.

[JoFri]

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I thot I saw this from jeebs on twitter. Help came from left corner


Lebron rotated to cover the corner

Or could it be H2H and manual trigger?

https://twitter.com/jeebs9/status/1456342272467943432?s=21

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[strosdood]

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Haven't played a 2K for a min (actually came back to this thread this morning to see if there was a consensus on the improved gameplay....and it looks like its gone again)



Your disbelief in daily changes is fair...but 2K/VC are the ones who implemented those damn-near daily (return to main menu) hot fixes. Yes some people will say they are only roster-related, but:



1) how do they KNOW (belief is irrelevant).

2) change enough things in 2K's data tables and you'll see some funky stuff. Back in the 360 days, if too many things in a save file were changed via hex editing, that save file felt 100% diff post-edits. Revert to a save pre-edits / start a new file & everything felt 'normal'.



After seeing that is when I decided to only play 2Ks offline the rest of the time on 360 & PS4. Dunno what 2K's patches and fixes are changing, but maybe too many of them can (unintentionally & negatively) affect core gameplay (which, depending on the age of the codebase, is a possibility)



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I'm getting that itch to play a hoops game in my downtime tho. Thinking I might turn off auto-updates on the PS5 and go disc + no 'net for 2k22. That shouldn't have to be the case tho.



The fact that something that had to be done two console lifecycles ago has to be done again to avoid the game's dev studio's involvement is ridiculous.



That horse is dead tho. Not gonna keep hammering away at it.

I just know the devs and engineers for this game understand what they’re doing and aren’t changing fundamental aspects of the game on a daily basis…… there’s a lot of placebo either on the good side or bad and like I said earlier other variables involved on the users side wether it be drastically altered sliders or whatever………. Just no way every day this game is polar opposite different like some say


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[vannwolfhawk]

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This thread is absolute comedy lately…… it goes from everyone being mad, to satisfied to mad again in a 3 day period 🤣 I find it hard to believe they’re changing the game that much on a daily basis…….. there’s got to be some other variables involved that have people losing their mind over what is going on


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I just know the devs and engineers for this game understand what they’re doing and aren’t changing fundamental aspects of the game on a daily basis…… there’s a lot of placebo either on the good side or bad and like I said earlier other variables involved on the users side wether it be drastically altered sliders or whatever………. Just no way every day this game is polar opposite different like some say


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It’s not placebo. It 100% changes. It’s been a known thing for years. Ask the slider guys. Every update I have to change game speed to either up or down. I immediately feel the difference after updates. Things are changed through the roster. Typically without an update and I play day to day there are no issues everything is the same. You can also tell with defense specifically on ball. You can feel it and see it. Plus they tweak sliders trying to find balances just like everyone else.

But I will say your right though partially in that if I adjust my sliders to fit the game a week ago and they make changes, when I play again it can be way overpowered or underpowered as it doesn’t match with their most recent changes. Like I mean drastically. It’s why slider forums can be so frustrating and a mess after updates as they have to constantly account for the updates. Eccentricmeat (who is big tester on player movement) is a great example. He refuses to adjust his sliders until 2k stops with the constant updates as your just beating your head on a wall.

This thread might be funny because of that but it’s not really funny. It’s real and it’s a big problem for 2k as the game is constantly changing 3x a week.

All that being said I had a horrible experience last night in 1st game. Sticky d was back, there was no contact and warping through screens. That’s the funny part is others say easy baskets again. I then tweaked some things and still saw the help and better d. Here is an example of what I was talking about with the tag happens immediately as the roll man initiates his roll. I touched on this earlier but look where the ball handler is by the time the tag and roll starts. Although this is good cpu d.

https://twitter.com/vannwolfhawk206/status/1456509411225059331?s=21

Anyways, the updates are real and things do change. It’s definitely not placebo. Otherwise I or others wouldn’t have to tweak sliders to match.

1 last example of this is guys in the discord channel have been playing games and testing rosters. There is a slider set guy who people are using as well. They send box scores, give feedback, how did feel, etc. 2 days ago they were raving and loving the games. Magically yesterday they were complaining about how tough cpu defense was and the heat were on god mode. Lol coincidence?

[Smallville102001]

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This thread is absolute comedy lately…… it goes from everyone being mad, to satisfied to mad again in a 3 day period �� I find it hard to believe they’re changing the game that much on a daily basis…….. there’s got to be some other variables involved that have people losing their mind over what is going on


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I have seen a lot of difference from when the game first came out in things but never found defense to be bad unlike a lot of people.

[jk31]

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So when you get beaten on the perimeter, your au defenders rotate properly without your doing to Pick up the drive AND fills all open gaps that might Happen?

[rudyjuly2]

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Count me in the group that doesn’t think help defence has changed that drastically from day to day. It merely fluctuates from non existent to bad. The biggest difference is PNR defence. The cpu defence is more challenging when they go back and have the guard going under all the time and warping. The strength and effectiveness of screens change.

I have never found the help to be done well in two years on next gen. They don’t rotate fast enough and the drive and kick game is bad. I have little confidence that 2K will get this right next year after two straight years and very little improvement at all. They clearly don’t know how to fix it or want to fix it. Defence is simply done poorly in this game and without better sliders and settings that work we are stuck with it.

I should add that I am still having fun with the game. It’s flawed but at least I’m still playing it unlike 2K21 which felt like a waste of money.

[Smallville102001]

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So when you get beaten on the perimeter, your au defenders rotate properly without your doing to Pick up the drive AND fills all open gaps that might Happen?

I do see help and I don't find pnr to be broken and can get pretty realistic games out side of fouls being way to low but that was a issue on day one lack of fouls.

[strosdood]

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I do see help and I don't find pnr to be broken and can get pretty realistic games out side of fouls being way to low but that was a issue on day one lack of fouls.

Same here, I played 2 great games last night…… I think next gen and last gen guys are getting different outcomes and game styles……at least that’s what I’ve heard


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[jk31]

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Same here, I played 2 great games last night…… I think next gen and last gen guys are getting different outcomes and game styles……at least that’s what I’ve heard


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vannwolfhawk is on next gen as far as i understand and i am on old gen.

i dont See any help at all. when I am beaten, my Center or weakside defender will just do nothing. if i dont switch to him and run with him inside the paint manually 50% of the def possession, then as soon as i am beaten on the perimeter it is a 1:0 layup.