Please turn the help defense, and cutter help defense back to were it was on release

[jfsolo]

Re: Please turn the help defense, and cutter help defense back to were it was on rele

I'm worried that by the time I get home and have a chance to fire up the game to play it, things will have already been tuned back to being disastrous again, lmao.

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[vannwolfhawk]

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I'm worried that by the time I get home and have a chance to fire up the game to play it, things will have already been tuned back to being disastrous again, lmao.

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Lol! If they saw this thread and see us happy they would be smart not to update til next year!

[vannwolfhawk]

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The Play above is: Quick Stagger First Double( play is under Pick & Roll Option)

This video is the FIRST time I have seen the defense react in time, all other times it's been an easy dunk or layup. NICE to see. I will get on the XBOX tonight. Thanks for posting.

I don’t think I’ve ever seen that happen before on a drive with help and the help the helper followed like that. EVER! I mean if help came it was a wide open shot which was the complaints by my player guys but this is the scramble part that was needed! Loved it!

[strosdood]

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This is a new one I hadn’t seen before. Wide open driving lane, cpu comes into help and then we have the cpu immediately help the helper to contest the kick. Great sequence by cpu!



https://twitter.com/vannwolfhawk206/...867388429?s=21

I just don’t understand what Kuzma was doing on the initial drive? He just freezes lol


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[vannwolfhawk]

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I just don’t understand what Kuzma was doing on the initial drive? He just freezes lol


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Man I don’t care what he does at the start I just love how he and Beal finished! Lol I’ll live with that all day long. Especially on a usually wide open layup. Great to see!

[alabamarob]

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Toning down the CPU defenders reaction time on shots would be a great look in addition to all of this...

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Haha. You know my number 1 and 2 gripes on 2k for the last decade I been on this thread is.

1: Big men jumping to high on rebounds and blocked shots and

2: The bs shot contests where the cpu defies gravity, physics, and the human brain’s reaction time.

If they lowered open shot contests and made the cpu reaction time a rating that actually worked things would be lovely. It would also encourage more on ball defense. But i have given up that fight, much like the fight for the live ball.

[el jimmy]

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I too have noticed a difference in cpu defence lately, didn't want to say anything in case it was changed back suddenly but I'm playing on superstar again and the cpu is challenging.

Occasional variance on pnr coverages and some nice rotations which is great to see.

Still able to get to the rim in pnr a little to easily too often (but improved no doubt)

Negatives I see are they seem to have made shooting harder and the on ball d is super sticky, mismatches don't really matter on the perimeter.

At this point though I'll take it over the pnr dunkfest of a week or two prior.

[el jimmy]

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Ok I got it to work… I have a ton more but let’s just look at these for now. These are all Vs cpu. Look at help and what used to be in 2k after the great patch compared to today. Snake dribble, freedom of movement, help d, X out scrambles, etc… These are examples of balance and good basketball IMO that replicate today’s game.


#1 - Snake dribble off of Chicago / Pistol Action

https://twitter.com/vannwolfhawk206/status/1455543238358618120?s=21

#2 - Snake dribble #2 with a stepback read on drop defender.

https://twitter.com/vannwolfhawk206/status/1455545208360390662?s=21

#3 - Help on the drive & kick.

https://twitter.com/vannwolfhawk206/status/1455542335761223695?s=21

#4 - Freedom of movement with hip rides on drive and kick and good cpu d. No sticky d or stone walls, but still good cpu d. This is with sliders adjusted to have balance on drive and kick game for cpu d.

https://twitter.com/vannwolfhawk206/status/1455544126817112070?s=21

#5 - 1 more pass and cpu X out scramble to recover. Good realistic real life basketball. This is what we see on tv with extra pass for corner 3’s with defense scrambling to rotate. This is sim basketball.

https://twitter.com/vannwolfhawk206/status/1455546382459174915?s=21

#6 - skip ahead slightly to :26 second mark in this video. Another X out scramble by cpu and 1 more pass to corner 3. Real basketball.

https://twitter.com/vannwolfhawk206/status/1455553277907464193?s=21

#7 - This is last but best cpu X out scramble for a contest. Great basketball defense here and recognition by cpu to X out fast. It’s the 2nd jazz play in this video… Skip to :42 second mark.

https://twitter.com/vannwolfhawk206/...463986689?s=21

#8 - 2 plays back to back drive and kicks as the cpu mixed defensive coverages and help. Again good basketball. Watch both Jazz possessions…

This video was I believe after oct. 1st patch hence no real help contain on drive. The 1st clip highlights the to slow to recognize from weak side while the 2nd clip highlights the bad rotation logic on 2 side like I talked about earlier in the thread. The bottom guy should help while the top wing defender drops to play 2 and then take the 1st pass out followed by an X out instead. But like I said I don’t need perfect so just seeing rotations are better than not. But they just need to speed the weak help defender up to recognize earlier. That’s if help was to come again.

https://twitter.com/vannwolfhawk206/...518312963?s=21


All of these aren’t perfect but all provided good fun basketball experiences. I haven’t seen any of this stuff for a month.

Hey Van, what sliders are these on?

[vannwolfhawk]

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I too have noticed a difference in cpu defence lately, didn't want to say anything in case it was changed back suddenly but I'm playing on superstar again and the cpu is challenging.

Occasional variance on pnr coverages and some nice rotations which is great to see.

Still able to get to the rim in pnr a little to easily too often (but improved no doubt)

Negatives I see are they seem to have made shooting harder and the on ball d is super sticky, mismatches don't really matter on the perimeter.

At this point though I'll take it over the pnr dunkfest of a week or two prior.

I’d agree with this assessment but those things can all be fixed with sliders so we are good as far as on ball and shooting. But yes there are a few open layups but needs to have some variance so I think that’s good too.

It’s not perfect but it’s good. I’d say bring the pnpop scrambles back, and then see if the tag can react quicker before the roll man leaves slightly to be more in line with the ball handler. Plus it allows a little earlier read on the tag. I mentioned earlier the tag comes on the roller when he recognizes it so sometimes it’s late and when the ball handler is at the free throw line paint area. But I do like the help the helper and tags and variance.

[vannwolfhawk]

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Hey Van, what sliders are these on?

My personal ones from a month ago. Now that defense is fixed I’m gonna try and dial back in again.

[talladega63]

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My personal ones from a month ago. Now that defense is fixed I’m gonna try and dial back in again.

Do you think to release your own set of sliders?

[vannwolfhawk]

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Do you think to release your own set of sliders?

Sliders are so personal and subjective. I will post in my thread at some point just to have a starting point for people to use that kind of goes hand in hand with the roster edits, but I don’t play meter so my shooting might be different to account for that. But most other stuff is just basketball I guess. Like ARob said he hates the vertical. I always put that at 15 or so on the get. Way more realistic as I agree with him. Things like that are universal. But check the playbook thread in a week or 2. I need to revisit them as the game is clearly different now. So that all takes time to find balance between all areas. I’m kinda ocd with that stuff…

[CujoMatty]

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Tried a game tonight after seeing you guys said there were positive changes. Was pretty skeptical as I hadn't noticed any changes after the last time guys had said there was.

Only one game but it was way better. I still won by 17 but it had everything to do with the cpu going ice cold in the second half and not just me dominating my will on them all game.

A lot better rotating and some decent help happening. PnR wasn't just easy buckets. Floppy was far less gimmes as guys closed better or fought around screens better.

Like I said only one game but the game is trending back in the right direction.

[JoFri]

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Gotcha. I do get what you're saying overall. Trust me, I do get that there's some deficiencies in help defense. Game still struggles to contain when the on ball defender gets blown up for instance.

My bad, re-reading...and seeing that you said that regarding Pham's video. Please do bite, would love your opinion on it.

Regarding what Victor touched on as well...

One thing stuck out to me in video I posted, is that Jimmy Butller sold out from the corner to help when Fox cleared his man. (Yes from a pass away, but one of those acceptable 911 situations to protect the rim IMO) Thoughts on that?

I'm with u, Jimmy is the closest. I will step in to cover for my teammate who got beat and heck that one pass away coaching theory, and pray to the bball god for the corner shooter miss Lol. Well thats me and perhaps coach could bench me for that.

In situations like this, coach will explain my weakside teammates should be the ones to help and I should stay with the shooter. And I'll say, well I didnt see that coming. A layup and a 3-point shot, pick yor poise. Even Lillard went 2 for 14 vs CHA. I'll help with the layup and give up 3 ball. Ha

[vannwolfhawk]

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Tried a game tonight after seeing you guys said there were positive changes. Was pretty skeptical as I hadn't noticed any changes after the last time guys had said there was.

Only one game but it was way better. I still won by 17 but it had everything to do with the cpu going ice cold in the second half and not just me dominating my will on them all game.

A lot better rotating and some decent help happening. PnR wasn't just easy buckets. Floppy was far less gimmes as guys closed better or fought around screens better.

Like I said only one game but the game is trending back in the right direction.

This is exactly why I was posting video evidence of the tags, scrambles, and even on drives just so people could see the difference. Can’t really deny the film. It’s not perfect but like you said trending in the right direction and at least playable where before for me it just wasn’t.