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  • rudyjuly2
    Cade Cunningham
    • Aug 2002
    • 14816

    #961
    Re: Please turn the help defense, and cutter help defense back to were it was on rele

    Originally posted by vannwolfhawk
    Last gen right?
    I’m on PS5.

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    • vannwolfhawk
      MVP
      • Jun 2009
      • 3412

      #962
      Re: Please turn the help defense, and cutter help defense back to were it was on rele

      Originally posted by rudyjuly2
      I’m on PS5.
      Gotcha. So you hadn’t seen changes until today then? Hmm…
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      http://www.nextplayhoops.com

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      • rudyjuly2
        Cade Cunningham
        • Aug 2002
        • 14816

        #963
        Re: Please turn the help defense, and cutter help defense back to were it was on rele

        Originally posted by vannwolfhawk
        Gotcha. So you hadn’t seen changes until today then? Hmm…
        I see little changes. I’ve seen weird stuff. Overall I’ve felt help D was never where it needed to be so they either had to improve on ball D or cheat the PNR defence to help slow us down. I haven’t agreed with seeing super radical changes on a daily basis. Everyone has their own opinion tho.

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        • jk31
          MVP
          • Sep 2014
          • 2662

          #964
          Re: Please turn the help defense, and cutter help defense back to were it was on rele

          Originally posted by vannwolfhawk
          I think part is different systems (not sure What Air is on though?). I think masses on Xbox next gen are seeing it but it’s another reason I’m trying to now capture videos of things as proof lol. But for me it could be more so because of rosters, sliders, help d slider, etc. so not really comparing apples to apples.

          Like, I’ve seen guys say not seeing any fouls but I’m getting 30 per game. That is sliders and gameplay style mixed in. Hard to have fouls if no contact in paint or on drives as well as contest on layups and jump shots too low. Add to that upping all the foul sliders as well. But if people are playing out of box sliders I can most definitely see why they wouldn’t get them. It’s hard to make blanket statements when there are so many factors at play.

          When an update would come with the help I’d test on stock sliders and adjusted ones. Then I’d go put help d slider up to 100 after that. That’s when I knew there were issues because it still didn’t work on anything. I can only go off what I see. It’s good right now all I know. But I did just see another update this morning?! I’m scared to go try haha

          By the way I also had amazing games and experiences over the weekend!

          dunno if anybody asked you before: could you maybe Share your sliderset?

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          • Smirkin Dirk
            All Star
            • Oct 2008
            • 5179

            #965
            Re: Please turn the help defense, and cutter help defense back to were it was on rele

            I’m getting good games. Overall the game is excellent. Excluding all the things that don’t work.


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            • vannwolfhawk
              MVP
              • Jun 2009
              • 3412

              #966
              Re: Please turn the help defense, and cutter help defense back to were it was on rele

              Originally posted by jk31
              dunno if anybody asked you before: could you maybe Share your sliderset?
              Pm sent…………..
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              http://www.nextplayhoops.com

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              • AIRJ23
                MVP
                • Apr 2021
                • 2804

                #967
                Re: Please turn the help defense, and cutter help defense back to were it was on rele

                Originally posted by rudyjuly2
                Really saw some good things in a game this morning and then halfway through I see the dreaded “update at menu” graphic 2K still plasters across my TV the entire time. Ugh.

                But this morning (before that update) I ran a pick and pop and both defenders focused on the drive leaving Olynyk wide open. I have personally felt the pick and pop was largely dead this year with under warping defenders and them never leaving the popper. So this surprised me in a good way. The help defender did rotate over and then ran away for some reason but at least I can see some different things.



                Then I get beat off the drive/screen and my cpu teammate rotated over nicely!


                They help off the corner here. I know we can argue about leaving Bey open here but I just get excited when the cpu helps and opens the drive and kick game.
                https://twitter.com/rudyjuly2/status...877132804?s=21
                Originally posted by Smirkin Dirk
                I’m getting good games. Overall the game is excellent. Excluding all the things that don’t work.


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                You guys getting good help and games lately, can you all post if you’ve adjusted coaching help D sliders up? And if you do, do you adjust them in game or in the MyNBA coach settings in the main menu?

                Someone weeks ago said he thought they worked in reverse (lower brought better help D for him) and when I played with it weeks ago, adjusting them did nothing.

                I’ve had some great games lately too, halftime crash bugs aside.

                But I’m beating on ball defenders more easily (not a bad thing to a degree, and it’s a solid balance right now) and most importantly I lowered jump shot defense strength sliders to 25 and it freed up the game big time.

                But I’m not getting help when I beat a defender. At least not timely enough.

                I see nuances of it, like they’re aware, but it’s not in your face.

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                • vannwolfhawk
                  MVP
                  • Jun 2009
                  • 3412

                  #968
                  Re: Please turn the help defense, and cutter help defense back to were it was on rele

                  Update today made it easy again with some easy layups & everything going in 65-70% (consensus from a ton of guys playing today), and slower help. Smh

                  Xbox next gen

                  Fun times with another 2k update… a day in the life of a 2k gamer!
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                  • el jimmy
                    Banned
                    • Mar 2011
                    • 77

                    #969
                    Re: Please turn the help defense, and cutter help defense back to were it was on rele

                    I've given up and gone back to 16. I ask anyone to go back and play that, notice how the cpu defends and adjusts throughout the game (match ups and schemes) and then come back to 22 and tell me it's better.

                    I'm sure you'll come back pointing out the flaws with the game but basketball simulation wise it's a much better representation of the sport and it's nuances.

                    16. Not 17, not 18 (definitely not) not 19 (it was passable) and definitely not the unholy Trinity of 20,21 and now 22.

                    16 was the last time cpu defence was fun to play against. 6.years.ago.
                    Last edited by el jimmy; 11-09-2021, 03:11 AM.

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                    • el jimmy
                      Banned
                      • Mar 2011
                      • 77

                      #970
                      Re: Please turn the help defense, and cutter help defense back to were it was on rele

                      Originally posted by vannwolfhawk
                      Pm sent…………..
                      I'd love to go in on that if you don't mind. I'm struggling with sliders this year..

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                      • jk31
                        MVP
                        • Sep 2014
                        • 2662

                        #971
                        Re: Please turn the help defense, and cutter help defense back to were it was on rele

                        Originally posted by vannwolfhawk
                        Pm sent…………..

                        thank you

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                        • AIRJ23
                          MVP
                          • Apr 2021
                          • 2804

                          #972
                          Re: Please turn the help defense, and cutter help defense back to were it was on rele

                          Originally posted by el jimmy
                          I've given up and gone back to 16. I ask anyone to go back and play that, notice how the cpu defends and adjusts throughout the game (match ups and schemes) and then come back to 22 and tell me it's better.

                          I'm sure you'll come back pointing out the flaws with the game but basketball simulation wise it's a much better representation of the sport and it's nuances.

                          16. Not 17, not 18 (definitely not) not 19 (it was passable) and definitely not the unholy Trinity of 20,21 and now 22.

                          16 was the last time cpu defence was fun to play against. 6.years.ago.
                          I wish I could get 16 on Series S (digital download).

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                          • rudyjuly2
                            Cade Cunningham
                            • Aug 2002
                            • 14816

                            #973
                            Re: Please turn the help defense, and cutter help defense back to were it was on rele

                            Originally posted by AIRJ23
                            You guys getting good help and games lately, can you all post if you’ve adjusted coaching help D sliders up? And if you do, do you adjust them in game or in the MyNBA coach settings in the main menu?

                            Someone weeks ago said he thought they worked in reverse (lower brought better help D for him) and when I played with it weeks ago, adjusting them did nothing.

                            I’ve had some great games lately too, halftime crash bugs aside.

                            But I’m beating on ball defenders more easily (not a bad thing to a degree, and it’s a solid balance right now) and most importantly I lowered jump shot defense strength sliders to 25 and it freed up the game big time.

                            But I’m not getting help when I beat a defender. At least not timely enough.

                            I see nuances of it, like they’re aware, but it’s not in your face.
                            I have help defence in main sliders at 100. I don’t touch the coach settings since many don’t seem to work and I’m praying I don’t have to do that junk every game to get something decent. Will be trying out the new update soon.

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                            • el jimmy
                              Banned
                              • Mar 2011
                              • 77

                              #974
                              Re: Please turn the help defense, and cutter help defense back to were it was on rele

                              Originally posted by AIRJ23
                              I wish I could get 16 on Series S (digital download).
                              I actually bought it second hand last year (due to 21 being so bad) never thought it would have to be my go too game of b-ball 2 years in a row.

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                              • AIRJ23
                                MVP
                                • Apr 2021
                                • 2804

                                #975
                                Re: Please turn the help defense, and cutter help defense back to were it was on rele

                                So I just played a game. Beating a defender 1 v 1 is easier than ever in the game. Which I’m not too mad at honestly. AS LONG AS it isn’t cheesable and stupid like 2K21. I CAN turbo around defenders now, fairly easily. But also not so easily I can cheese it over and over (or I just have inherent house rules that I implement like second nature).

                                Problem is I’m getting zero help defense. The help will slightly close in, but they won’t attack the offender and make a real difference. Same goes for my team. If the CPU beats me, they coast to the hole.

                                I tried putting my help D coaching slider to 100 during a game, it made no difference.

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