Please turn the help defense, and cutter help defense back to were it was on release

[strosdood]

Re: Please turn the help defense, and cutter help defense back to were it was on rele

Not trying to be a smart a$$ or be rude but the game has only been out two months. Not months. It was fully released on September 10, 2021 and it has changed so much within that time span since initial release. People are still trying to give it a chance in hopes that it will resemble something close to the release version. And as others have stated, it seems to change from one day to the next in some instances.

Bro in 2 months the game is what it is…… and he’s been disappointed from the jump almost……. Time to cut losses I’d say, maybe it’s just me but I don’t see the desire to complain about the same game for weeks on end, maybe I just don’t have time for it or I’m just getting old 🤷🏻*♂️


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[NYJin2011tm]

Re: Please turn the help defense, and cutter help defense back to were it was on rele

For me after each patch( not the daily updates) I keep trying again to see how it’s playing. Right now it’s not playing too bad. I don’t use manual PnR though, I use auto play calling and just run whatever is called. In the end though I can’t get over the lack of injuries and fouls.

[MoreThanAGamer]

Re: Please turn the help defense, and cutter help defense back to were it was on rele

For me after each patch( not the daily updates) I keep trying again to see how it’s playing. Right now it’s not playing too bad. I don’t use manual PnR though, I use auto play calling and just run whatever is called. In the end though I can’t get over the lack of injuries and fouls.

Just wondering. Do you think the rule changes in the NBA pertaining to shooting fouls may be why 2K22 has a lack of foul calls? Just curious.

[MoreThanAGamer]

Re: Please turn the help defense, and cutter help defense back to were it was on rele

Bro in 2 months the game is what it is…… and he’s been disappointed from the jump almost……. Time to cut losses I’d say, maybe it’s just me but I don’t see the desire to complain about the same game for weeks on end, maybe I just don’t have time for it or I’m just getting old 🤷🏻*♂️


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Yeah I understand completely. I think this is a place where people with different opinions about the game can come and express how they feel about it from day to day. On the opposite end of the complaints you have the people who say they're "Having a blast", and "Best 2K or Madden ever" every year and that can be annoying as heck too because some people just don't see that. LOLOLOL. It's like they never have an issue with any yearly version of the game and every year it's the best ever.


It is what it is.

[Smallville102001]

Re: Please turn the help defense, and cutter help defense back to were it was on rele

Just wondering. Do you think the rule changes in the NBA pertaining to shooting fouls may be why 2K22 has a lack of foul calls? Just curious.

lol no its been a issue for like 5+ years and its not just a little less than real life its way less. In like 50 games I have seen a foul on a jump shot like 4 times and even had a game where cpu only shot 2 ft and it was at the end of the game down 1 with like 10 seconds left when I had to foul. I see animations ever game that in real life would be a foul at like any time period in the nba yet are not called.

[AIRJ23]

Re: Please turn the help defense, and cutter help defense back to were it was on rele

Bro in 2 months the game is what it is…… and he’s been disappointed from the jump almost……. Time to cut losses I’d say, maybe it’s just me but I don’t see the desire to complain about the same game for weeks on end, maybe I just don’t have time for it or I’m just getting old 🤷🏻*♂️


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Your obsession is becoming worrisome.

[AIRJ23]

Re: Please turn the help defense, and cutter help defense back to were it was on rele

I hate the way this game plays. Pnr dunkfest, jumpshots are pointless on higher difficulties because nothing goes in. If I'm playing with an elite scorer like Bradley Beal, it should feel like his game. But there is no midrange, jumpshooting game in this 2k, cpu plays you tight all the time which makes them easy to exploit and boring.

Players don't stand out, everyone just drives.

I don't see what you're all seeing, even with sliders and custom rosters the game doesn't feel like fun or like Sim basketball like it did at launch or like 16 still does.

And yes I can still run pnr and score 90% of the time. The only time the cpu stops me is with a lame block from behind animation.

There’s no way to shoot and truly enjoy this game with stock defensive strength sliders for jump shots. I’m on all star shooting slider settings and lowered jumpshot defensive strength sliders to 25 and it’s immensely better. I’d almost say those sliders still make hitting contested shots a bit too hard, but it’s way more natural and realistic. I tried lowering it to 20 and it feels excellent in how you can freely play and hit contested shots, but it neared on maybe being too little defensive strength to make the game challenging so I have it back at 25 for now.

[amioran]

Re: Please turn the help defense, and cutter help defense back to were it was on rele

i.e. Make the CPU players and mannerisms faster than the User via ‘Player Movement Sliders. Increasing the CPU’s Hands and Playing Passing Lanes sliders, while decreasing user Pass Accuracy & Speed.

Increasing movement sliders has absolutely no effect on the PNR, since it is not a matter of the speed of the players in defense but in their reactions (that's not tied to movement) and help defense. Increasing the CPU's hands only has to do with rebounds and 50/50 balls (so what should be the correlation with the PNR?) and increasing interceptions only indirectly affects the PNR (but not even so much as when the roll man anticipates the defender by two steps there's no way to intercept a pass).

All the things you talk about have absolutely nothing to do with the PNR itself but just with bandaids that also influence other parts of the game (that will become completely unrealistic as a result). If to prevent a user from executing a PNR you have to turn the AI players into superhumans moving double the speed of your players with the ball (so that mismatches and ISO are completely gone) then what's the point? And what's even worse, then, is that even when you do this you can still exploit the PNR anyway, since the parameters of the latter (and why the AI cannot defend it properly) remain totally unvaried. In reality those bandaids influence the PNR only moderately while the rest of the game is instead greatly affected by them. It's not a great exchange.

You have to realize that the CPU responds to the pick and roll, but its an extremely delayed input code (as stated) to make it easier.

It's not to "make it easier", it's the way the AI is programmed to stick to their individual coverages instead of playing more to defend an area (as it happens in real basketball). Even when you are in a zone if you pay attention the AI reacts more to how the men move instead of covering a specific area.

Why they did that? Who knows, but you can certainly make this game challenging if you can get that realism **** out of your head.

Realism is important in a basketball simulation, elsewhere you are only playing an arcade game with the semblance of a sport. You can even have fun with such a game but at that point it's not a basketball game anymore, it's something else. While full realism cannot be achieved (and it wouldn't even be a good aim, as the game would probably become too challenging for the vast majority of users) the context should be adhered to the most faithfully possible elsewhere nothing makes any sense anymore. If you make a chess videogame where the knight moves zig zag then it's not chess anymore; you can certainly have fun with it, but it's not chess.

If realism didn't matter then why even strive, for example, to have correct plays for the various teams, or even just a correct representation of how players behave in the court? You can simply make the players move without restrictions, and why not, give them rifles to shoot at the adversaries. You wouldn't like something like that, is it not? Hence why realism is important when the context is involved.

If you’re on PS5, I made a slider. Go into scrimmage and try running it. Let me know your findings:

I'm not on PS5, but here the vast majority of us are well versed in sliders and so if we say that something doesn't work is because we know that it doesn't, no matter what slider changes you can make. Many of us spend months tailoring rosters and sliders to have the game play as best as it could so it's not that we haven't tried.

[AIRJ23]

Re: Please turn the help defense, and cutter help defense back to were it was on rele

Question: Did the launch version (or ANY version) of 2K22 have help on mismatches? I.e if Shaq is backing Muggsy Bogues down in the paint, did help ever arrive in this game? Because right now it sure doesn’t.

And if the answer if no, which 2K (if any) was the last one to have help on mismatches? 2K21 next gen didn’t either.

Someone said in 2K16 the CPU defense would switch defenders onto hot players and just act alive in regards to trying to outsmart the human player. How much I wish 2K22 would do that.

Edit: Check out the gorgeous help coming off a screen in 2K16 in this vid at 4:25. My 2K22 help at its best ain’t acting like that. Unfortunately I didn’t play it enough at launch as I spent weeks editing my rosters. 2K22 does look and move a lot better though.

https://youtu.be/e8LsIq4AZRk

[gu8lal8]

Re: Please turn the help defense, and cutter help defense back to were it was on rele

Question: Did the launch version (or ANY version) of 2K22 have help on mismatches? I.e if Shaq is backing Muggsy Bogues down in the paint, did help ever arrive in this game? Because right now it sure doesn’t.

And if the answer if no, which 2K (if any) was the last one to have help on mismatches? 2K21 next gen didn’t either.

Someone said in 2K16 the CPU defense would switch defenders onto hot players and just act alive in regards to trying to outsmart the human player. How much I wish 2K22 would do that.

Edit: Check out the gorgeous help coming off a screen in 2K16 in this vid at 4:25. My 2K22 help at its best ain’t acting like that. Unfortunately I didn’t play it enough at launch as I spent weeks editing my rosters. 2K22 does look and move a lot better though.

https://youtu.be/e8LsIq4AZRk

I'm on PS4 and I'm playing a Classic Teams Season (I'm the '00-'01 Lakers) offline versus CPU on superstar sliders @default (except all Foul Sliders @100 for CPU+USER and FT Difficulty @100).

When I start backing down with Shaq in the mid & low post, I get doubled every single time, it has been this way since release, right now I'm playing against the '94-'95 Magic (Shaq vs Shaq) and I still get doubled every single time in the mid & low post.

I set the defensive settings and matchups before every game for user and cpu.
Defensive settings:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bYroZXmRcPI&t=28s

[AIRJ23]

Re: Please turn the help defense, and cutter help defense back to were it was on rele

I'm on PS4 and I'm playing a Classic Teams Season (I'm the '00-'01 Lakers) offline versus CPU on superstar sliders @default (except all Foul Sliders @100 for CPU+USER and FT Difficulty @100).

When I start backing down with Shaq in the mid & low post, I get doubled every single time, it has been this way since release, right now I'm playing against the '94-'95 Magic (Shaq vs Shaq) and I still get doubled every single time in the mid & low post.

I set the defensive settings and matchups before every game for user and cpu.
Defensive settings:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bYroZXmRcPI&t=28s

Weird. I don’t get doubled on any mismatches. My hot players will get doubled especially toward the end of tight games, but physical mismatches on their own have never once drew doubles for me. The AI will only double a player if it “wants to double a player” as opposed to “Shaq is backing up Curry, force a double,” the latter of which never happens.

I don’t want to speak too soon but the last couple of games I’ve played have seen plenty of free throws. It’s definitely been playing better lately and I hope they don’t screw it up.

[The 24th Letter]

Re: Please turn the help defense, and cutter help defense back to were it was on rele

Some advice, and I 100% mean this sincerely:

Just...play the game. Not one quarter or play, get some gameplay in.

Stay out of the threads for a a couple of weeks. Try to enjoy yourself....Get a large sample size. Don't overeact to every variable.

(We used to crave these 'variables' btw. There used to be a thread about "scripting" every year when 2K was primarily an offline game.) Last week where 2K supposedly nerfed shooting fouls, I was at the line for 12 attempts with Tony Parker.

Yes there is an update screen everyday. Yes, gameplay can be changed through these and roster updates. A large amount of them aren't touching anything gameplay related at all. This isn't a statement because I like 2K, this is a fact.

If you don't enjoy it, that's fine. Not seeing what everyone else is? Fine too. 2K16 (or other games) the golden standard for you? I say stay and don't look back. There are ways to update the roster, even if you're not on PC, you just have to search..

Just one guys perspective...happy gaming through the holiday



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[MoreThanAGamer]

Re: Please turn the help defense, and cutter help defense back to were it was on rele

Question: Did the launch version (or ANY version) of 2K22 have help on mismatches? I.e if Shaq is backing Muggsy Bogues down in the paint, did help ever arrive in this game? Because right now it sure doesn’t.

And if the answer if no, which 2K (if any) was the last one to have help on mismatches? 2K21 next gen didn’t either.

Someone said in 2K16 the CPU defense would switch defenders onto hot players and just act alive in regards to trying to outsmart the human player. How much I wish 2K22 would do that.

Edit: Check out the gorgeous help coming off a screen in 2K16 in this vid at 4:25. My 2K22 help at its best ain’t acting like that. Unfortunately I didn’t play it enough at launch as I spent weeks editing my rosters. 2K22 does look and move a lot better though.

https://youtu.be/e8LsIq4AZRk

In My Career that type of help is happening when I call for the pick and roll. I get all types of help defense thrown at me. It's like the game is adjusting to my tendencies. I got locked up by Cole Anthony last night. This is Cole Anthony. Dude has no defensive badges. Granted I was still able to get some good stats but I couldn't shake Cole Anthony like I had been doing other defenders.


And like I stated earlier the help defense and rotations that happen during the pick and roll either cause me to turn the ball over or pull back and make another decision. I even try the pick and roll twice sometimes in the same possession if the shot clock permits. The CPU defense say "Nope, not this time". LOLOL. Then I get hit with a "holding the ball too long penalty".


Now I will say that sometimes it's ugly when my roll man who has obviously beat the defense heading to the basket slows down to help the defense stop him. That annoys me because once I throw the lob, the defenders get a super, jumping boost and block the lob in mid air. It looks ugly but sometimes I get a good laugh.


I'm not saying that you should be seeing the same defensive help. Just stating what I'm seeing in My Career with 24 games in with my new build.

[Luke Skywalker]

Re: Please turn the help defense, and cutter help defense back to were it was on rele

Some advice, and I 100% mean this sincerely:

Just...play the game. Not one quarter or play, get some gameplay in.

Stay out of the threads for a a couple of weeks. Try to enjoy yourself....Get a large sample size. Don't overeact to every variable.

(We used to crave these 'variables' btw. There used to be a thread about "scripting" every year when 2K was primarily an offline game.) Last week where 2K supposedly nerfed shooting fouls, I was at the line for 12 attempts with Tony Parker.

Yes there is an update screen everyday. Yes, gameplay can be changed through these and roster updates. A large amount of them aren't touching anything gameplay related at all. This isn't a statement because I like 2K, this is a fact.

If you don't enjoy it, that's fine. Not seeing what everyone else is? Fine too. 2K16 (or other games) the golden standard for you? I say stay and don't look back. There are ways to update the roster, even if you're not on PC, you just have to search..

Just one guys perspective...happy gaming through the holiday



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What he said! Go play MyNBA and see how beautiful this game really is. Exhibition or even Scrimmage mode for some reason have different gameplay. MyNBA is a whole different animal. Play Now and MyNBA are alligators and crocodiles.

[strosdood]

Re: Please turn the help defense, and cutter help defense back to were it was on rele

Your obsession is becoming worrisome.

Coming from the guy that was shelving this game a month ago, yet still in every 2K thread on OS literally every single day, I have no idea how u can have time to even play the game because you’re in here 24/7……. Talk about worrisome [emoji1308]do what u threatened in September when the cameras weren’t working and cut your losses


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