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Re: Please turn the help defense, and cutter help defense back to were it was on rele
[emoji2377] wasn't trying to be
Though I'm always happy to hear your take, because I know you know ball as well..Jeebs, Bakes and MTAG moreso answered my question. Was literally trying to get an answer to that specific scenario tbh...no ulterior motive, promise [emoji38]
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Re: Please turn the help defense, and cutter help defense back to were it was on rele
All good man. Ya it changed I think on Thursday or maybe Friday or both iirc. There was 2 updates back to back days. I’m just frustrated is all with the way they are trying to fix it and still the lack of help. Plus I think I’ve seen the other thread about on ball. I just don’t feel the need to chime in there as I’ve spoken my peace in here. I was just responding to the videos that still don’t fix the thread title of help d is all. I posted about it a few pages back.
I just would never play with stock sliders at default with gameplay like that. It’s just not realistic for me. So the band aid fix doesn’t really do anything for me if no help is there. I can fix the band aids I just can’t fix the help. So hence my frustrations. Like I said I don’t need perfect I just need something.Basketball Playbooks
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The problem is that the "variance" you have shown has nothing to do with real basketball, but it just shows the various band aids the AI has to help circumvent the lack of help defense (and also proper drop defense). The video you posted shows clearly that the PNR is really about a 2 vs 2 game, where the only variables concern the defenders involved in such scenario and really nobody else's. It's like changing a game of chess to have only the white vs black rooks and queens play against one another instead than having also pawns, bishops and knights around to interact with. The context becomes completely different.Comment
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Re: Please turn the help defense, and cutter help defense back to were it was on rele
I’m sorta confused on what about 24ths video was “not real basketball” and just showed “band aid fixes”? There wasn’t a lot of help D from the wing defenders but they also didn’t need to help in his video as the PnR was defended pretty decently…….. Defense isn’t perfect but it’s workable right now for the most part
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I’m still getting sticky on ball D. But I’m seeing no help defense. Zero. If I beat a defender, I can just coast to the hole. The only thing stopping me from driving is the magnet on ball D. Which when I de magnetize it (which is easier to do now than it ever was in this game) I can get to the rack. 12 dunks by MJ last game on HOF defense sliders.
I see guys CONSIDERING helping on mismatches, like they want to help. But they go back to their man and let me back up Steph Curry with Shaq with no help.Comment
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Re: Please turn the help defense, and cutter help defense back to were it was on rele
I just want to say your rosters are awesome. That’s all
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Re: Please turn the help defense, and cutter help defense back to were it was on rele
Thanks man. That was just basic scaling. Go look at ATD 33. That’s close to final with 23/30 teams playbooks done and tendencies from scouting 1st 2 weeks games. The original didn’t have scouting as some players I was unfamiliar with until I had a chance to watch 3-5 games of each team. Plus playbooks had players in spots and some plays from pre season. Now I got more real in season plays in. Obviously teams are still adding plays as the season progresses so trying to keep up with that. Like yesterday for example the Wizards started running Iverson action PNR’s that they hadn’t run before yesterday that I had seen. Plus non injury rotations better now and updated from seeing teams early season rotations. There will be non injury and injury rotations and starting rosters. So a lot more detail than before. But you can get updates in the roster section thread on that stuff.Last edited by vannwolfhawk; 11-01-2021, 03:49 PM.Basketball Playbooks
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Re: Please turn the help defense, and cutter help defense back to were it was on rele
Just because I want to annoy you (for your comment - LOL) and I remember a back in forth with Lloyd Pierce running nothing years ago, you got Mac 10 running some good stuff! He actually has some old George Karl 96 sonic plays he runs for Bogy that they used to run for Detlef Schrempf & Payton when both McMillan & Payton we’re on the floor together. Old school mid rage…
Seen some great stuff…
Basic Double Staggers
Flex Action
Chicago Action
Pistol Action
Lots of DBL Drags
Pistol into immediate double drags
Weave action
Ghost Screens & PNPops
RIP screens to Collins in the post
High Running Screen PNR’s
Mid range curls for Bogy
Basic Floppy Action
Horns Flip/Twist wing PNR’s
Horns Flip/Twist Into Imm DBL Drag
Post pass for Ricky Action 3
Veer Action
Delay Action
Empty Side PNR’s
Double double stagger floppy action
Other stuff is basic with other PNR’s or post up’s
Ex Sonic what else would you expect! Mac 10! Crazy difference from them to now. Saw it a bit last year but a full pre season helps too. Hopefully this annoyed you! Lol! Now back to the thread…Last edited by vannwolfhawk; 11-01-2021, 04:16 PM.Basketball Playbooks
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Seemed like a realistic question…… I stated defense isn’t perfect but can’t see game breaking issues with the video he posted as it’s a process getting everything that goes into actual basketball defense into a video game 🤷🏻*♂️ anyways back to it I go lol
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No I was being serious too. I was saying if you like it then enjoy it is all. Don’t listen to us and ruin what you don’t see or think is good in your opinion. I just see something different which is a band aid so they don’t have to send help.
I’ve explained before what I don’t like about it. I didn’t like how they had it at launch either. To me neither are realistic. After patch 1 they had it perfect (not really perfect but playable) and it was realistic to real life. The big dropped and contained, the snake dribble opened up, they got rid of under screens speed, it wasn’t super speed recoveries, small ball was there, and there was help defense. There was balance between defense and offense. I’ve said before I don’t need perfect rotations. It wasn’t perfect rotations after patch 1 either. But it was more than good enough to play with. I just want the ones we already had in the game. I also want the realistic PNR coverage they also had in the game after patch #1. That’s the only reason I’m here. We had it all before that was realistic (minus perfect rotations, scrambles or x outs). But just for the record those also exist in the game in scrambles out of double teams. So this game is capable of giving that to us because it was ther at 1 point.
Let me be more clear here though. When I say balance I mean there should be freedom of movement on the perimeter and small ball. Bigs should not stone wall guards on a consistent basis. There needs to be balance between the offense and defense. But in the PNR there needs to be containment that couldn’t happen when they applied the speed changes to allow freedom of movement and small ball. The freedom of movement and small ball was great. The problem was though there was no help behind it on the drive or PNR game. So there was no balance.
So this time they went back to the under defense and got rid of small ball and brought stone walls back to hide the lack of help. Again, no balance because small ball is gone which was great but it also eliminated the snake dribble which was also awesome after patch 1. Keep in mind most all teams play over drop coverage the majority of the time and not under on PNR’s irl. They also brought back players slithering through screens super fast on ball and off ball now which isn’t really realistic either as they magically recover. I mean if it’s guys like Jrue then cool but not everyone. That is a band aid is all. Ok so you want to fix the pnr but it also effects the cpu and plays off ball when running sets. Again, No balance.
I’m not saying any of this is easy to balance. But that takes constant testing to tweak things (on their end with in house sliders) to find the balance. The great part is we can do that as well. I don’t want to play stone wall defense. I want realistic freedom of movement and pnr coverage while offensively having the ability to take advantage of switches and mismatches or picking apart pnr coverages by reading the tag man. I don’t want to play a roll the dice 2 man game and I would never play with sticky d as it’s not realistic anyways. And that’s where the problem lies. When I fix their band aid to have my game play realistic basketball with my sliders I’m still stuck with no help defense. I like a drive and kick game from both me and the cpu so it’s a must slider edit. It’s how the game of basketball is played irl. I could achieve all that before oct. 1st. When I drove help was there. I had to read the defense whether it was perfect or not. But that’s not the case anymore.
Anyways it’s all about balancing it all together. Hopefully that makes a bit more sense. I know some here get it and some don’t but that’s where I stand. And my 02…Last edited by vannwolfhawk; 11-01-2021, 07:15 PM.Basketball Playbooks
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Re: Please turn the help defense, and cutter help defense back to were it was on rele
Thought so too.
September 18th P&R defense for reference
Looks similar.
I thought drop coverage was one of our big asks?...What time frame was the the CPU doing that? Would be a great point of reference.
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I think it was more about the fact that the help didn't even stunt or anything. In the NBA, help defense is waiting far in advance, even when the help isn't needed.
There's really no evidence that the help would have come had it been needed.Comment
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