Please turn the help defense, and cutter help defense back to were it was on release

[jrose57]

Re: Please turn the help defense, and cutter help defense back to were it was on rele

I can confirm, the rotations are back. Get by your defender now driving to the hole, another defender rotating over and meeting you at the rim. Also noticing more stumbling when crossing people over. As of right now, the game is playing good.

just turned up my ps5 played some games, yes its back, but pnr is still way too effective, i can use the same pnr play like 1-4 screen or whatever its called, and scores inside everytime...somehow i think the screens got to be less effective?

[NYJin2011tm]

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I played a quarter last night, first I’ve played since most recent update. It plays ok but CPU doesn’t really run plays, it just tries to drive to the hoop a lot. I was able to draw fouls, I think it was something like 10 to 4 FTAs in my favor.

I played a classic of a game, my expansion team vs the Knicks. I trailed first half mostly by double digits, tied it by end of third quarter. Should have won in regulation but my team choked. Ended up winning 120-119 in OT. Too bad this was on 17 not 22 lol.

[strosdood]

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I’m not drawing any fouls. Been like this for several games. Seems when I turn foul sliders up it affects only the CPU.

I guess I’m seeing slightly more help. I’m seeing a ton more doubles except the IQ is totally off. I was playing the Nuggets and my guys would run to the three point line to double anyone with the ball during a close game, including guys with single digit points.

You’re the only one that somehow never sees anything changing lol some of the most critical guys on the forum are saying there’s been improvements and u always come in and say it’s the same still for u [emoji848] I say post videos because from my experience and a lot of the guys that are posting vids the defense has been pretty good lately


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[Mikelopedia]

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Really happy with how the game is right now. I’m seeing more rotations and help the last couple days. Actually seeing some nice kick out opportunities and pick and pop I wasn’t seeing before and that makes me so much happier. Really hoping they don’t mess things up. You can still see ball side corner help too much but this is the happiest I’ve been with the game since launch. If they could only fix how easy FT shooting is now.

A couple nice rotations and one more pass below. Also, sagging on the ball is good now. They don’t sag off average shooters but Crowder correctly dares Hayes to shoot.

One more pass

https://twitter.com/rudyjuly2/status/1458404742141517828?s=21

High tag I find for an open shot

https://twitter.com/rudyjuly2/status/1458401330297462786?s=21

Crowder sagging

https://twitter.com/rudyjuly2/status/1458396947694374913?s=21

P?S. I’ve never had an issue with on ball sticky D in general. Sliders do work for this area. My beef had been bigger players defending too well but I think it’s OK. Many bigs do a decent job in real life.

Great vids Rudy, what do you have Defensive awareness set to and did you make any adjustments to each teams Help D coaching slider?

[rudyjuly2]

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Great vids Rudy, what do you have Defensive awareness set to and did you make any adjustments to each teams Help D coaching slider?

For the main sliders I have both Help Defense and Defensive Awareness at 100. I don’t touch the coaching sliders at all. Too many options that are either broken or don’t do much and I don’t want to mess with that every single game.

I do think it would be nice to have a “screen effectiveness” slider. Run a floppy or a quick Fist 25 with anyone and you can get a lot of open 3s. Not always but off the ball screens tend to be too effective imo.

[Baebae32]

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Really happy with how the game is right now. I’m seeing more rotations and help the last couple days. Actually seeing some nice kick out opportunities and pick and pop I wasn’t seeing before and that makes me so much happier. Really hoping they don’t mess things up. You can still see ball side corner help too much but this is the happiest I’ve been with the game since launch. If they could only fix how easy FT shooting is now.

A couple nice rotations and one more pass below. Also, sagging on the ball is good now. They don’t sag off average shooters but Crowder correctly dares Hayes to shoot.

One more pass

https://twitter.com/rudyjuly2/status/1458404742141517828?s=21

High tag I find for an open shot

https://twitter.com/rudyjuly2/status/1458401330297462786?s=21

Crowder sagging

https://twitter.com/rudyjuly2/status/1458396947694374913?s=21

P?S. I’ve never had an issue with on ball sticky D in general. Sliders do work for this area. My beef had been bigger players defending too well but I think it’s OK. Many bigs do a decent job in real life.

Great vids Rudy. There definitely an improvement. My one concern is that there is something wrong with hedge defender mobility. Thus you are essentially playing an additional man down in PnR situations. This puts a lot of stress on the games rotation system. Hopefully this something that can be addressed this cycle.

But we have to give the team credit for stilll continuing to work for this years release to improve the help D


PS: please bring back functional defensive settings

[AIRJ23]

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You’re the only one that somehow never sees anything changing lol some of the most critical guys on the forum are saying there’s been improvements and u always come in and say it’s the same still for u [emoji848] I say post videos because from my experience and a lot of the guys that are posting vids the defense has been pretty good lately


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The problem is every day I’m seeing different defense, as are most people here. It’s at a point where we’re all waiting to see how the defense acts after each nightly quick update.

I liked what I saw last night. I was seeing tons of doubles at the end of the game. More than usual, but the logic wasn’t great as my team CPU was doubling guys I wouldn’t want doubled and leaving others open. But anytime I see CPU not acting like robots running a script I’m happy, so I’ll take that over not seeing any doubles.

I’m still able to back down point guards with centers with no help. I’d be shocked if anyone’s seeing that fixed.

Right now my main issue is I stopped drawing fouls. I was drawing plenty before.

Two steps forward and one step back I gues.

[MoreThanAGamer]

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I don't know if this thread is pertaining to MyCareer but I can honestly tell you that the CPU help defense is alive and well after I run a couple successful pick and rolls. Almost too successful. And sometimes the game makes my roll man act like he doesn't want to run to the basket after he's already in front of the defender. He slows down enough for the defense to catch him and it causes me to make another decision. If I lob it to him, the CPU defenders get a super human boost and they jump like crazed savages trying to block the lob. Dudes with no vertical be jumping higher than Michael Jeffrey Jordan trying to block the lob. They stay in the air a long time too. They cause me to have quite a few turnovers.


And I swear it seems the next team I play has been watching film on my tendencies because they seem to be waiting on the pick and roll. The corner defender on the roll side picks the perfect time to come off of his man in the corner and run to the roller to stop the lob too.


And sometimes the man being picked will avoid the pick or glide around it and stick to my every move. I can't easily pick and roll anymore for assist to get my play making badge points in the game.

[el jimmy]

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I hate the way this game plays. Pnr dunkfest, jumpshots are pointless on higher difficulties because nothing goes in. If I'm playing with an elite scorer like Bradley Beal, it should feel like his game. But there is no midrange, jumpshooting game in this 2k, cpu plays you tight all the time which makes them easy to exploit and boring.

Players don't stand out, everyone just drives.

I don't see what you're all seeing, even with sliders and custom rosters the game doesn't feel like fun or like Sim basketball like it did at launch or like 16 still does.

And yes I can still run pnr and score 90% of the time. The only time the cpu stops me is with a lame block from behind animation.

[strosdood]

Please turn the help defense, and cutter help defense back to were it was on release

I hate the way this game plays. Pnr dunkfest, jumpshots are pointless on higher difficulties because nothing goes in. If I'm playing with an elite scorer like Bradley Beal, it should feel like his game. But there is no midrange, jumpshooting game in this 2k, cpu plays you tight all the time which makes them easy to exploit and boring.



Players don't stand out, everyone just drives.



I don't see what you're all seeing, even with sliders and custom rosters the game doesn't feel like fun or like Sim basketball like it did at launch or like 16 still does.



And yes I can still run pnr and score 90% of the time. The only time the cpu stops me is with a lame block from behind animation.

I don’t get why some of y’all put yourself through the misery u claim to have playing a game……. Why wouldn’t u go do something else if it’s literally been bad for u for months now……… it’s weird honestly that u would cling to something that’s not enjoyable to u


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[Luke Skywalker]

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I don’t get why some of y’all put yourself through the misery u claim to have playing a game……. Why wouldn’t u go do something else if it’s literally been bad for u for months now……… it’s weird honestly that u would cling to something that’s not enjoyable to u


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Agreed— just mess around with the sliders and create an enjoyable experience. If the PNR is seriously bad, make it hard to do.

[amioran]

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Agreed— just mess around with the sliders and create an enjoyable experience. If the PNR is seriously bad, make it hard to do.

There's no slider change that can fix the weaknesses that the AI has on the PnR. It has absolutely nothing to do with sliders but with how drop defense and help defense in general is coded.

You can change some other things that can indirectly affect the difficulty on the PnR but doing so will also make the gameplay totally unrealistic in many other aspects, while the defense in the PnR will anyway remain bad in itself. You just create some bandaids to try to overcome such weaknesses (that, btw, is the same thing that 2K has tried to do with the sticky onball defense and godly recovery speed in the beginning).

[MoreThanAGamer]

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I don’t get why some of y’all put yourself through the misery u claim to have playing a game……. Why wouldn’t u go do something else if it’s literally been bad for u for months now……… it’s weird honestly that u would cling to something that’s not enjoyable to u


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Not trying to be a smart a$$ or be rude but the game has only been out two months. Not months. It was fully released on September 10, 2021 and it has changed so much within that time span since initial release. People are still trying to give it a chance in hopes that it will resemble something close to the release version. And as others have stated, it seems to change from one day to the next in some instances.

[edaddy]

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Not trying to be a smart a$$ or be rude but the game has only been out two months. Not months. It was fully released on September 10, 2021 and it has changed so much within that time span since initial release. People are still trying to give it a chance in hopes that it will resemble something close to the release version. And as others have stated, it seems to change from one day to the next in some instances.

2k has been doing this and getting away with it for years!! those updates that you are prompted to download every day are part gameplay patches that arent announced and frequently are brought in via roster changes!! Ive seen games literally change overnight for years!! 2k has become a second EA and its sad because the same developers that now work on the game were once solid sim heads devoted to
sim basketball which got 2k to where it is now!! Once in they became like every other developer!!it is what it is!!

[Luke Skywalker]

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There's no slider change that can fix the weaknesses that the AI has on the PnR. It has absolutely nothing to do with sliders but with how drop defense and help defense in general is coded.

You can change some other things that can indirectly affect the difficulty on the PnR but doing so will also make the gameplay totally unrealistic in many other aspects, while the defense in the PnR will anyway remain bad in itself. You just create some bandaids to try to overcome such weaknesses (that, btw, is the same thing that 2K has tried to do with the sticky onball defense and godly recovery speed in the beginning).

Realism is an illusion. You can so inhibit the PNR with sliders. You mignt not be able to fix it on the AI side but you sure as hell can skew the user ability. You have to remember: this is a video game. I understand that we want this to be realistic, but we also want a challenge. If you are able to prevent yourself from doing the PNR, you can focus on other ways of scoring.

i.e. Make the CPU players and mannerisms faster than the User via ‘Player Movement Sliders. Increasing the CPU’s Hands and Playing Passing Lanes sliders, while decreasing user Pass Accuracy & Speed.

You have to realize that the CPU responds to the pick and roll, but its an extremely delayed input code (as stated) to make it easier. Why they did that? Who knows, but you can certainly make this game challenging if you can get that realism **** out of your head.

If you’re on PS5, I made a slider. Go into scrimmage and try running it. Let me know your findings:

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