Please turn the help defense, and cutter help defense back to were it was on release

[vannwolfhawk]

Re: Please turn the help defense, and cutter help defense back to were it was on rele

Should not be an issue. Czar has that no help option that actuallly works. So if you don’t want to give up the threes you can just go to no help.

Ok so ACE adjusts your saying so it’s not open like that all game and the cpu will adjust and scramble?

Or your saying for a user you can change it?

[jfsolo]

Re: Please turn the help defense, and cutter help defense back to were it was on rele

Sounds good in theory, hard as hell to implement.

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I have no doubt that it's hard to address, Czar said in one of his videos that passing is a very difficult system to work on, but I would imagine that complaining from the majority of the customer base would probably be as big of an issue as the technical hurdles.

[cam21224]

Re: Please turn the help defense, and cutter help defense back to were it was on rele

Alot of stuff hidden in this game. Same with throwing lob passes. You can only do that by changing passing options.

Rob what do you change to unlock the passing options?




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[Armor and Sword]

Please turn the help defense, and cutter help defense back to were it was on release

When I watch full games these days, I’m astonished by how many wide open drives and shots are given up. Coaches flat out say they don’t put much focus on defense. I dunno if it’s laziness, lack of defensive skill or the rules preventing even skilled defenders from defending well. But time and time again we see debates about the “best players in the league” where everyone concedes how nearly every player mentioned is horrible at defense. It’s nuts to me. Defense is 50% of the game (or should be).



I’d hope to see the league bring back defensive oriented rules as opposed to offensive favoring rules. Let us see the skills on full display. And ratings would soar. The biggest mistake the league made was assuming fans watch only when scores are high. When history has proven the opposite if anything.

I gave up watching the modern game three years ago.

I grew up watching 80’s/90’s/00’s Basketball. Even the Big Three Heat 11-14 and the Spurs were in your face defensive teams. Their goal was to shut you down. Points in the Paint were earned with pain.

For me it turned starting in 16.

The game is a bunch of brick layers, throwing up their hands and flopping like Brazilian soccer players any chance they can get. Chucking threes…..no defense, and the art of playing hardcore defense is dead. Same thing has happened in the NFL.

Soft.

Anyway…..I watched Malice at the Palace….hell yes….thats the Association I remember.

And that is why I only play 2K with classic rosters and classic seasons.




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[vannwolfhawk]

Re: Please turn the help defense, and cutter help defense back to were it was on rele

I have no doubt that it's hard to address, Czar said in one of his videos that passing is a very difficult system to work on, but I would imagine that complaining from the majority of the customer base would probably be as big of an issue as the technical hurdles.

This! That was another point I forgot to touch on. Little timmy doesn’t want fumbled passes due to pass accuracy. That’s why we have the slider option to fix ourselves to give ourselves the experience we want. The masses don’t want that.

[VictorMG]

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Let me give a quick example. I brought this up to Wang in 2k12 when I was invited in to 2k studios. I was specifically asking for a pass speed slider which we later ended up getting. But he told me it’s not that easy because animations are tied into passes and pass speed. It wasn’t an easy fix.

Right, but I think it's very possible to introduce logic along the lines of "For every foot of space the ball travels in the air, pass accuracy is reduced by X points" or something.

I'm not saying it's a simple thing that'll take two seconds, but I think it should be very possible.

[Smirkin Dirk]

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If you watch Czars videos, he does a great job of explaining how the most simple things are difficult and have to evaluated for its impact on other systems.

[rudyjuly2]

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The help and drive and kick game in that video bamarob was awesome!

Is it just me or do fancy dribble moves barely do anything vs the cpu? Feels like basic left stick moves and angles work better.

[alabamarob]

Re: Please turn the help defense, and cutter help defense back to were it was on rele

Ok so ACE adjusts your saying so it’s not open like that all game and the cpu will adjust and scramble?

Or your saying for a user you can change it?

No. You go to the defensive settings and change it to no help. Czar has a video with it on and the people will not leave their man.

Rob what do you change to unlock the passing options?


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Controller settings. Icon Passing. Turn it to pass type control. It allows you to throw bounce. Lob. Regular pass with just the icon of the player you are passing to.

[VictorMG]

Re: Please turn the help defense, and cutter help defense back to were it was on rele

If you watch Czars videos, he does a great job of explaining how the most simple things are difficult and have to evaluated for its impact on other systems.

I definitely understand that, I was just saying that it might be worth a try on their end IMO. Or maybe they have tried it and just never mentioned it, that's also possible.

[vannwolfhawk]

Re: Please turn the help defense, and cutter help defense back to were it was on rele

Right, but I think it's very possible to introduce logic along the lines of "For every foot of space the ball travels in the air, pass accuracy is reduced by X points" or something.

I'm not saying it's a simple thing that'll take two seconds, but I think it should be very possible.

Oh ya it can be done and should be with scramble logic. 1 of the first things I do is lower pass speed for both user and cpu as well as the help d iq to combat your issue and super fast passes where cpu can’t close out or scramble in time as well as closing out faster. All that is a balancing act along with the d awareness slider. So, it can be done but not easy fix.

Plus like Rob said most people just want that wide open 3 and don’t care about what we want from sim community with ultra realism. That in itself is a give and take.

That’s the best part of 2k though compared to other games they give us every option to fix it ourselves. Whether through sliders, tendencies, or attribute edits. So for that I’m thankful.

We all want that out of the box realism but it has to apply to 8 year old Timmy too.

[vannwolfhawk]

Re: Please turn the help defense, and cutter help defense back to were it was on rele

No. You go to the defensive settings and change it to no help. Czar has a video with it on and the people will not leave their man. .

Ya, I’m more talking and only really care about the cpu AI being able to adjust, scramble, and help.

[VictorMG]

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We all want that out of the box realism but it has to apply to 8 year old Timmy too.

Maybe a Skip Pass Accuracy slider? Even I realize that might be too wishful, but a guy can dream. lol.

I don't know if they even have any logic in the game that dictates what counts as a skip pass and what doesn't. I feel like probably not, since it never comes in to play for anything (not trying to insult the product, just saying).

[vannwolfhawk]

Re: Please turn the help defense, and cutter help defense back to were it was on rele

Maybe a Skip Pass Accuracy slider? Even I realize that might be too wishful, but a guy can dream. lol.

I don't know if they even have any logic in the game that dictates what counts as a skip pass and what doesn't. I feel like probably not, since it never comes in to play for anything (not trying to insult the product, just saying).

Or how about this? A lob pass on a skip rather than a bullet line drive?! Lol Kind of like madden lob. Skips and flares as is are bullets. That I’m itself would help on rotations time.

But for drift passes like we see all the time now I’d still want the bullets. It would be nice to be able to differentiate between the 2. The thing is with no help before the drift pass game wasn’t an option like in the real nba. There is 1 play I use that gives us the drift pass in the game I applied to the teams and players that use it. But now with the help on that should open up the drift pass but that’s why I hope the cpu can scramble and X out like irl…

[The 24th Letter]

Re: Please turn the help defense, and cutter help defense back to were it was on rele

The help and drive and kick game in that video bamarob was awesome!

Is it just me or do fancy dribble moves barely do anything vs the cpu? Feels like basic left stick moves and angles work better.

At the beginning of the year, barely.

I feel you can stun the CPU now. I have perfect video of this, lol

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