Please turn the help defense, and cutter help defense back to were it was on release

[Kendall_Gilbert]

Re: Please turn the help defense, and cutter help defense back to were it was on rele

I believe they did more than just hot fix help D. For the first time since launch I’ve seen a CPU defended sag off a player who can’t really shoot threes.

I had a Rasheed Wallace CAP guarding Giannis. When Giannis was at the top of the keep, CPU Wallace waited at the free throw line basically daring him to shoot.


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[VictorMG]

Re: Please turn the help defense, and cutter help defense back to were it was on rele

I believe they did more than just hot fix help D. For the first time since launch I’ve seen a CPU defended sag off a player who can’t really shoot threes.

I had a Rasheed Wallace CAP guarding Giannis. When Giannis was at the top of the keep, CPU Wallace waited at the free throw line basically daring him to shoot.


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That makes me really hopeful. I played a quick couple minutes against the Bulls this morning after I say 24's post, but I didn't see the help defense (just waltzed into the paint with LeBron on a manual pick and roll), but maybe their Help D slider isn't high enough.

[Luke Skywalker]

Re: Please turn the help defense, and cutter help defense back to were it was on rele

That makes me really hopeful. I played a quick couple minutes against the Bulls this morning after I say 24's post, but I didn't see the help defense (just waltzed into the paint with LeBron on a manual pick and roll), but maybe their Help D slider isn't high enough.

I noticed this too when I passed to Blake Griffin earlier.

[vannwolfhawk]

Re: Please turn the help defense, and cutter help defense back to were it was on rele

Mike, and Van being that I hate you guys (and 24th) I would:

1) Ask that you stop confusing people with all this basketball lingo and strategy. Coach Bud is the worst coach in the NBA and he has a ring and coach of the year trophy.

2) Ask that you guys put on the record if the help defense has been fixed.

3) Put on the record whether or not I need to take down my video. If they have fixed the help defense. Then there is no reason to keep the video up.

You all have 20 minutes to answer me. Ha.

Seriously though. This all sounds like good news. I will get back on the game later today to check things out for myself.

Dirk and Rudy? What are you all seeing?

Lol! Man you aren’t lying as far as adjustments or lack thereof with Bud.

I haven’t played yet still so from what I see from 24 and mike (and hear with the sag off in last post above) all that is great news.

I was not trying to confuse anyone at all. Sorry if I was. I was just trying to let people know there are options available to us that go along with the thread as far as to help users experiences with getting the cpu AI to be smarter, help more, scramble and closeout faster or more realistically. 2k gives us the options to do so which is awesome. Most people just don’t know how to do it.

As far as is it fixed? it looks good. I think you and others will still want the settings to work correctly though so you can scheme the way YOU want. If centers are sagging off non shooters that’s a HUGE plus and win as well. Can this be confirmed? Lastly, my last complaint would be what I posted earlier with X out scramble logic to allow the one more extra pass for corner 3’s. That’s what is open in real nba and is so satisfying when it happens in 2k. I wish we could do it more but that’s the X out logic. But I don’t want to get to picky here. I’ll take basic help and maybe down the road this makes its way in. That being said, I have seen it happen when I have edited the 3 things I named before. So I think it’s there to be had. Just not without edits yet.

So I’d say the initial post and your issues seems to be fixed but we can still improve on some of the other defensive issues still. But that’s without me being able to play yet and just going off others video examples today.

[Baebae32]

Re: Please turn the help defense, and cutter help defense back to were it was on rele

These type of things will keep happening until we get the individual defensive settings functional again.

But leaving the strong side to help on a drive is something that definitely needs to be addressed.

2k needs to continue to factor in distance and angles on skip passes to mitigate the “God View” issue

[The 24th Letter]

Re: Please turn the help defense, and cutter help defense back to were it was on rele

A God's eye view is not a basketball problem, nobody on this planet has it, So we will never have a 100% basketball solution as far as coverage. Every point guards scouting report has a dedicated section to his individual blind spots off the P&R.

That's not to say we can't continue to work on getting there.

Everyone should take the time to watch this video by Da Czar at how this stuff is balanced.

https://youtu.be/TUWonrvrhqw

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[VictorMG]

Re: Please turn the help defense, and cutter help defense back to were it was on rele

A God's eye view is not a basketball problem, nobody on this planet has it, So we will never have a 100% basketball solution as far as coverage.

I agree, but I think the idea is that if seeing the whole court at all times is inevitable for us as players, at least make skip passes less accurate for most of the players we're controlling. That's a relatively easy solution to at least mitigate the problem, and a very realistic one IMO.

[ataman5]

Re: Please turn the help defense, and cutter help defense back to were it was on rele

Manual passing is the solution for God's eye or at least would make these situations less automatic and more contextual and brings a lot organic turnovers or a skill into passing side, too; when creating these chances. That's how.

[The 24th Letter]

Re: Please turn the help defense, and cutter help defense back to were it was on rele

Sounds good in theory, hard as hell to implement.

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[alabamarob]

Re: Please turn the help defense, and cutter help defense back to were it was on rele

Well, well, well. That man works extremely fast. No more waltzing into the paint versus the CPU, and your CPU defenders now help on drives again. Back to enjoying the game. Thanks to 24 or Earv or whoever put the bug in that man ear.


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[Smirkin Dirk]

Re: Please turn the help defense, and cutter help defense back to were it was on rele

I’m on the other side of the world do just had sleep now a day of work so to say I’m frustrated I can’t play is an understatement.

Sounds like it’s fixed.

Probably due entirely to this thread.

What should we fix next? Climate change, racism, inequality?

Maybe just the defensive settings.

[VictorMG]

Re: Please turn the help defense, and cutter help defense back to were it was on rele

Sounds good in theory, hard as hell to implement.

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Why do you say that?

[vannwolfhawk]

Re: Please turn the help defense, and cutter help defense back to were it was on rele

Well, well, well. That man works extremely fast. No more waltzing into the paint versus the CPU, and your CPU defenders now help on drives again. Back to enjoying the game. Thanks to 24 or Earv or whoever put the bug in that man ear.


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Just watched your video on YouTube then was coming here to post and saw you posted this.

The initial help is awesome. The drive and kick is awesome. But now the issue is how I stated previously and all these open 3’s will eventually be complained about. I also said from day 1 in numerous threads that the scramble logic has to be number 1. Then you can get the help to come and follow. It’s why as coaches 1 of the 1st drills we do to start a season is 3 on 4 scramble drill or 4 on 5 scramble drills and teach x’ing out and scrambling to close out under control and rotate to help.

In this video numerous times the top guy never drops to help the helper and X out. The reverse could happen like in 24’s video where the corner doesn’t help on the wing throwback pass. They just stand there rather than rotating to X out scramble. So now we have a new issue.

So, we are half way there as of now…

[alabamarob]

Re: Please turn the help defense, and cutter help defense back to were it was on rele

Just watched your video on YouTube then was coming here to post and saw you posted this.

The initial help is awesome. The drive and kick is awesome. But now the issue is how I stated previously and all these open 3’s will eventually be complained about. I also said from day 1 in numerous threads that the scramble logic has to be number 1. Then you can get the help to come and follow. It’s why as coaches 1 of the 1st drills we do to start a season is 3 on 4 scramble drill or 4 on 5 scramble drills and teach x’ing out and scrambling to close out under control and rotate to help.

In this video numerous times the top guy never drops to help the helper and X out. The reverse could happen like in 24’s video where the corner doesn’t help on the wing throwback pass. They just stand there rather than rotating to X out scramble. So now we have a new issue.

So, we are half way there as of now…

Should not be an issue. Czar has that no help option that actuallly works. So if you don’t want to give up the threes you can just go to no help.

[vannwolfhawk]

Re: Please turn the help defense, and cutter help defense back to were it was on rele

Why do you say that?

Let me give a quick example. I brought this up to Wang in 2k12 when I was invited in to 2k studios. I was specifically asking for a pass speed slider which we later ended up getting. But he told me it’s not that easy because animations are tied into passes and pass speed. If they turned up or down pass speed, accuracy (at that time) it wouldn’t match animations. It wasn’t an easy fix.

That being said they give us sliders for pass accuracy so anyone can set that however they want.

I hate to be a broken record but scramble logic behind this and players help d iq help them rotate super fast to help alleviate the see all like robs video clearly shows us.