Please turn the help defense, and cutter help defense back to were it was on release

[vannwolfhawk]

Re: Please turn the help defense, and cutter help defense back to were it was on rele

I do like how smaller defenders will register less contest. That was in a few years back and I think it was missing in 19 and 20.

Ya if you shoot a 3 with Jokic and Lillard is right there it’s like a 6% contest or open. I like that too.

[AIRJ23]

Re: Please turn the help defense, and cutter help defense back to were it was on rele

Yes it doesn’t provide more help d. That’s the coaching gameplan / coaching slider / help defense (sets how often players will help out on defense).

If I’m not mistaken (and refer to eccentrics research here), but from my understanding and from tweaking it’s also determines how close defender is and contests. If there is a defender, help close it will register contested the higher you go. So if your help comes it plays more of a factor.

For example with it low and I go and shoot a stepback and create a ton of space from the on ball defender I’m open but let’s say that I ended up right by a cpu off ball defender it’s still open. At higher numbers it’s the opposite. At least that’s what I have noticed as far as in shot feedback when testing it. Hope that makes sense?

Oh yeah that makes sense. Makes sense that like the other defensive section sliders, it has to do with contesting.

Unfortunately for me the help D slider in coaches settings does ZERO to bring about help D.

I feel like they’ve masterfully created a game with defensive opposite of how it should be. I want heavy contesting when I go to the rim as driving was so easy in 2K21 and still can be easily spammed. Shooting was never too easy in 2K21 to begin with. I.e contested shooting is not what needed “fixing.” Driving needed fixing. What they did in 22 is make shooting damn near impossible unless maybe you’re totally versed in the game, and driving is now mandatory to be competitive. My points are nearly all PIP even playing under Superstar or HoF.

[jeebs9]

Re: Please turn the help defense, and cutter help defense back to were it was on rele

I do like how smaller defenders will register less contest. That was in a few years back and I think it was missing in 19 and 20.

Ya if you shoot a 3 with Jokic and Lillard is right there it’s like a 6% contest or open. I like that too.

Should of been like this years ago. I don't understand why it took so long. Defense was so big on the court. I'm really happy where were at now. You see those true mismatches come to reality. But on the flip side a guy like CP3 (badges) He can hit over bigs.

[Mikelopedia]

Re: Please turn the help defense, and cutter help defense back to were it was on rele

Im just not seeing it. Rollers are heading into the paint. Even drive blow bys Im getting all the way to the rim all the time.

I just got an update so maybe thats it.

Does changing the sliders to custom affect the help defense? I am not saying it does but I wonder if this is why people are saying different things.

I can also attest that I'm back to seeing hardly any help on drives or PnR. I can spam whatever I want. There's the occasional 1 pass away help off a drive/driving layup, but as Czar said that is a separate help system (the closest off ball man recognizing an open attempt)

Rob I'm testing on default. Not seeing what I saw a couple days ago.

[vannwolfhawk]

Re: Please turn the help defense, and cutter help defense back to were it was on rele

Oh yeah that makes sense. Makes sense that like the other defensive section sliders, it has to do with contesting.

Unfortunately for me the help D slider in coaches settings does ZERO to bring about help D.

I feel like they’ve masterfully created a game with defensive opposite of how it should be. I want heavy contesting when I go to the rim as driving was so easy in 2K21 and still can be easily spammed. Shooting was never too easy in 2K21 to begin with. I.e contested shooting is not what needed “fixing.” Driving needed fixing. What they did in 22 is make shooting damn near impossible unless maybe you’re totally versed in the game, and driving is now mandatory to be competitive. My points are nearly all PIP even playing under Superstar or HoF.

2 things…

1 - I just realized driving contact and inside contact as well as body up sensitivity effects the other player. But the others are for the user you are on. I’m an idiot and no wonder I was struggling to dial that in on both sides of the ball.

2 - I think the coaching help d sliders are backwards. I got no help at 95-100 but am getting it at 35-50. I need to test more and it could be placebo but I think it’s the opposite this year. I stumbled across that when I forgot to set it.

It can be super confusing! The Never ending rabbit hole lol

[vannwolfhawk]

Re: Please turn the help defense, and cutter help defense back to were it was on rele

Should of been like this years ago. I don't understand why it took so long. Defense was so big on the court. I'm really happy where were at now. You see those true mismatches come to reality. But on the flip side a guy like CP3 (badges) He can hit over bigs.

I like that too with CP3! If I get a switch I’ll boomerang back out and iso the big like you see irl. It’s awesome!

[Smirkin Dirk]

Re: Please turn the help defense, and cutter help defense back to were it was on rele

2 things…



1 - I just realized driving contact and inside contact as well as body up sensitivity effects the other player. But the others are for the user you are on. I’m an idiot and no wonder I was struggling to dial that in on both sides of the ball.



2 - I think the coaching help d sliders are backwards. I got no help at 95-100 but am getting it at 35-50. I need to test more and it could be placebo but I think it’s the opposite this year. I stumbled across that when I forgot to set it.



Never ending rabbit hole lol

Shouldnt need to do this. Its help D. A fundamental basketball concept.


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[Smirkin Dirk]

Re: Please turn the help defense, and cutter help defense back to were it was on rele

I can also attest that I'm back to seeing hardly any help on drives or PnR. I can spam whatever I want. There's the occasional 1 pass away help off a drive/driving layup, but as Czar said that is a separate help system (the closest off ball man recognizing an open attempt)



Rob I'm testing on default. Not seeing what I saw a couple days ago.

I never actually saw it. I played a day after this update and it just wasn’t there.

[vannwolfhawk]

Re: Please turn the help defense, and cutter help defense back to were it was on rele

Shouldnt need to do this. Its help D. A fundamental basketball concept.


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True! But I just put both teams at 1 and I’m seeing rotations on everything. I’m seeing doubles, I’m seeing my guys rotate to help and play 2 and X out. I’m seeing things I haven’t before now. Idk man…

[AIRJ23]

Re: Please turn the help defense, and cutter help defense back to were it was on rele

2 things…

1 - I just realized driving contact and inside contact as well as body up sensitivity effects the other player. But the others are for the user you are on. I’m an idiot and no wonder I was struggling to dial that in on both sides of the ball.

2 - I think the coaching help d sliders are backwards. I got no help at 95-100 but am getting it at 35-50. I need to test more and it could be placebo but I think it’s the opposite this year. I stumbled across that when I forgot to set it.

It can be super confusing! The Never ending rabbit hole lol

Oh wow. But for the defensive strength sliders, User settings still affect how the other team performs defense (their affect on our offense) correct?

Wowwww can’t believe they can screw up help D and make it backwards. Has anyone else experienced this??

Gonna start a thread on that to see. Would be a shame if our efforts to STRENGTHEN help D would actually weaken it.

[vannwolfhawk]

Re: Please turn the help defense, and cutter help defense back to were it was on rele

Oh wow. But for the defensive strength sliders, User settings still affect how the other team performs defense (their affect on our offense) correct?

Wowwww can’t believe they can screw up help D and make it backwards. Has anyone else experienced this??

Gonna start a thread on that to see. Would be a shame if our efforts to STRENGTHEN help D would actually weaken it.

At this point I’m convinced. I just saw the cpu make the extra “one more pass” twice off rotations for a wide open 3 in the corner twice! Never seen that! It was beautiful! I wish I knew how to capture video to upload here… Plus the cpu is rotating like crazy! I’m thinking this is why I was seeing it then not seeing it as I was upping the cpu help d sliders.???

[Reddcheese]

Re: Please turn the help defense, and cutter help defense back to were it was on rele

At this point I’m convinced. I just saw the cpu make the extra “one more pass” twice off rotations for a wide open 3 in the corner twice! Never seen that! It was beautiful! I wish I knew how to capture video to upload here… Plus the cpu is rotating like crazy! I’m thinking this is why I was seeing it then not seeing it as I was upping the cpu help d sliders.???

Damn feel happy for you! This is not working on PS5. Just marching down the lane with Trae Young still. What's your global help D slider and your layup gather and release?

[vannwolfhawk]

Re: Please turn the help defense, and cutter help defense back to were it was on rele

Damn feel happy for you! This is not working on PS5. Just marching down the lane with Trae Young still. What's your global help D slider and your layup gather and release?

Hmmmm… I’m wondering if there was an update because I’m seeing all help come from proper spot in weakside corner now as well. I have been stress testing it. I haven’t seen 1 help from the strong side corner once in 2 full quarters.

65-100 on Gather release right now
Put 1 for each team coaching slider pregame.

Got 100 drive contact and 100 inside contact and 75 body sensitivity. I’m still playing with these though but that’s where I’m at currently.

Also playing at 55 game speed…

Edit: I take that back just saw the strong corner help for the 1st time but it was after a timeout. Cpu adjusted and started to attack jamal murray from wing on the drive on the PNR. I think that’s why that’s been happening when cpu blitzes at ball handler in ACE. Which I’m fine with as a new look.

Edit 2- jamal murray had 9 assists in the 1st quarter. Obviously I’m stress testing but that tells you help is coming. And I missed a few wide open jumpers too. And I didn’t really hit the roll man but 1x.

Edit 3 - 1 thing I would say is play a full quarter and see how cpu plays you after a timeout. Because I have had 0 help before a timeout then it changes. So hard to just judge the 1st 6 minutes. I saw 3 coverages in the 1st quarter. Hedge and over, blitz ball handler, and switch. This game I just started with had no help to start. Then just adjusted to help. Hard to judge 1st 5-6 minutes before they adjust. But if we can set the 1st 6 minutes for cpu and it sticks that could be way to go in my nba.

[Reddcheese]

Re: Please turn the help defense, and cutter help defense back to were it was on rele

Hmmmm… I’m wondering if there was an update because I’m seeing all help come from proper spot in weakside corner now as well. I have been stress testing it. I haven’t seen 1 help from the strong side corner once in 2 full quarters.

65-100 on Gather release right now
Put 1 for each team coaching slider pregame.

Got 100 drive contact and 100 inside contact and 75 body sensitivity. I’m still playing with these though but that’s where I’m at currently.

Also playing at 55 game speed…

Thanks hopefully a PS5 update is on it's way. All realism is killed atm

[Smirkin Dirk]

Re: Please turn the help defense, and cutter help defense back to were it was on rele

The saga continues.

I went into coach settings for the CPU, dropped their help d to 20, and Im seeing a fair bit of help and rotation. Not perfect, but it's there.