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  • vannwolfhawk
    MVP
    • Jun 2009
    • 3412

    #331
    Re: Please turn the help defense, and cutter help defense back to were it was on rele

    Originally posted by Smirkin Dirk
    The saga continues.

    I went into coach settings for the CPU, dropped their help d to 20, and Im seeing a fair bit of help and rotation. Not perfect, but it's there.
    Lmao! Drop it to 1 (assuming that should be 99) and tell me what you see. I have no idea all I know is what I’m seeing. And I like what I’m seeing with rotations.
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    • Reddcheese
      Rookie
      • Oct 2012
      • 73

      #332
      Re: Please turn the help defense, and cutter help defense back to were it was on rele

      Originally posted by Smirkin Dirk
      The saga continues.

      I went into coach settings for the CPU, dropped their help d to 20, and Im seeing a fair bit of help and rotation. Not perfect, but it's there.
      Haha it is an epic journey. Still no luck on the PS5 side. Knew I should have got the xbox

      The next part of the story might be that xbx and PS5 are managed by different people and you're team leans towards sim ball while mine loves those open catwalk escorts to the rim. Playing now is giving me horrible flashbacks of 2k21 lol
      Last edited by Reddcheese; 10-07-2021, 03:38 AM.

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      • AIRJ23
        MVP
        • Apr 2021
        • 2804

        #333
        Re: Please turn the help defense, and cutter help defense back to were it was on rele

        Man this is weird. So help D slider works in reverse apparently. Now wait till they fix that bug and those of us with low help d sliders complain how we lost whatever help d we had with an update lol.

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        • rudyjuly2
          Cade Cunningham
          • Aug 2002
          • 14815

          #334
          Re: Please turn the help defense, and cutter help defense back to were it was on rele

          I hope sliders aren’t backwards. Be curious about the overall “help slider” for cpu/user. I have had that at 100 praying or more help.

          New patch! Will see what v8 does.
          Last edited by rudyjuly2; 10-07-2021, 04:49 AM.

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          • el jimmy
            Banned
            • Mar 2011
            • 77

            #335
            Re: Please turn the help defense, and cutter help defense back to were it was on rele



            New patch gameplay. It seems somehow even worse.

            Shooting 100% by exclusively running pnr.

            On ball defence seems easier, I'm blowing by defenders in iso while falling asleep.

            Time to accept the defence is never coming back.

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            • rudyjuly2
              Cade Cunningham
              • Aug 2002
              • 14815

              #336
              Re: Please turn the help defense, and cutter help defense back to were it was on rele

              The cpu still sags 10’ off Jerami Grant, daring him to shoot 3s. His current 3pt rating in my franchise is 77. That’s high enough to be defended. I thought it was higher but it’s still annoying. 70s or at least upper 70s should be defended.
              Last edited by rudyjuly2; 10-07-2021, 05:14 AM.

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              • ataman5
                MVP
                • Jun 2007
                • 2620

                #337
                Re: Please turn the help defense, and cutter help defense back to were it was on rele

                Originally posted by rudyjuly2
                The cpu still sags 10’ off Jerami Grant, daring him to shoot 3s. His current 3pt rating in my franchise is 77. That’s high enough to be defended. I thought it was higher but it’s still annoying. 70s or at least upper 70s should be defended.
                These inconsistincies are the worst of all. The basic code rules must be simple and user friendly enough so that we can have an understanding of what happens why so that we grow into the game and get a good knowledge to get better in.

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                • rudyjuly2
                  Cade Cunningham
                  • Aug 2002
                  • 14815

                  #338
                  Re: Please turn the help defense, and cutter help defense back to were it was on rele

                  I forced a drive and I do see help at times. For some reason the processing speed of the cpu defenders just feels a step slow too often. So when help comes it’s too late. The sagging threshold needs to be adjusted.

                  One game after the patch and the thing I noticed most was more deflections and steals off dribbles into traffic.

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                  • imjusflexin
                    Rookie
                    • Oct 2021
                    • 9

                    #339
                    Re: Please turn the help defense, and cutter help defense back to were it was on rele

                    Originally posted by ataman5
                    These inconsistincies are the worst of all. The basic code rules must be simple and user friendly enough so that we can have an understanding of what happens why so that we grow into the game and get a good knowledge to get better in.
                    This has been happening to me too just starting the last couple days, maybe something to do with the latest update?

                    Rui Hachimura is being consistently left unguarded from 3, yet they still play tight on Gafford & Montrezl.

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                    • AIRJ23
                      MVP
                      • Apr 2021
                      • 2804

                      #340
                      Re: Please turn the help defense, and cutter help defense back to were it was on rele

                      Tried coaching slider help D at 100 and 0. Doesn’t seem to make a difference. Driving is exactly like 2K21 now. No help, no doubles, I just do some dribble moves and waltz in. On the new update.

                      What a shame. They ruined such a good game. Now the defense is OP where you don’t want it to be, and a cinch where you don’t want it to be.

                      2K is done for us. It’s basically NBA Jam with annoying perimeter D that’s both easy to shake but also not easy to find a clear jump shot on. This game proves it. They released a game just for us. And it took a couple weeks to patch out what made it good.

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                      • ataman5
                        MVP
                        • Jun 2007
                        • 2620

                        #341
                        Re: Please turn the help defense, and cutter help defense back to were it was on rele

                        Originally posted by imjusflexin
                        This has been happening to me too just starting the last couple days, maybe something to do with the latest update?

                        Rui Hachimura is being consistently left unguarded from 3, yet they still play tight on Gafford & Montrezl.
                        Maybe Hachimura gets cold and that's why his ratings go down as they are dynamic in the game from rythm to another, if not it's bad inconsistent. We also have to understand better what has really gone under on that situation. When you see they leave Simmons onball wide opn on the perimeter you smile so.

                        But then as Smirkin mentioned you don't see cpu sagging off Simmons offball.

                        Let's not mix the stuff up though in order to get this thread clear as possible.
                        Last edited by ataman5; 10-07-2021, 06:01 AM.

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                        • Smirkin Dirk
                          All Star
                          • Oct 2008
                          • 5179

                          #342
                          Re: Please turn the help defense, and cutter help defense back to were it was on rele

                          Originally posted by ataman5
                          Maybe Hachimura gets cold and that's why his ratings go down as they are dynamic in the game from rythm to another, if not it's bad inconsistent. We also have to understand better what has really gone under on that situation. When you see they leave Simmons onball wide opn on the perimeter you smile so.

                          But then as Smirkin mentioned you don't see cpu sagging off Simmons offball.

                          Let's not mix the stuff up though in order to get this thread clear as possible.
                          It's a weird look when they CPU is guarding my Finney-Smith off ball quite tightly (78 3PT rating) but they sag off him once he catches the ball to give the open 3.
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                          • AIRJ23
                            MVP
                            • Apr 2021
                            • 2804

                            #343
                            Re: Please turn the help defense, and cutter help defense back to were it was on rele

                            Originally posted by rudyjuly2
                            I hope sliders aren’t backwards. Be curious about the overall “help slider” for cpu/user. I have had that at 100 praying or more help.

                            New patch! Will see what v8 does.
                            I hate to be the bearer of bad news.

                            But it seems defense got softer after the update.

                            What the hell are they doing to Czar? Czar, blink twice if you need us to save you.

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                            • el jimmy
                              Banned
                              • Mar 2011
                              • 77

                              #344
                              Re: Please turn the help defense, and cutter help defense back to were it was on rele

                              Originally posted by rudyjuly2
                              I forced a drive and I do see help at times. For some reason the processing speed of the cpu defenders just feels a step slow too often. So when help comes it’s too late. The sagging threshold needs to be adjusted.

                              One game after the patch and the thing I noticed most was more deflections and steals off dribbles into traffic.

                              https://twitter.com/rudyjuly2/status...937230848?s=21
                              This does occasionally happen to me, maybe 1in 8 pnr drives or so. However its not consistent enough, it's like the cpu varies between leaving the roll man open and doubling me (leaving the roll open for the lob or easy pass) or they worry too much about the roll and give me a wide open lane.

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                              • ataman5
                                MVP
                                • Jun 2007
                                • 2620

                                #345
                                Re: Please turn the help defense, and cutter help defense back to were it was on rele

                                Originally posted by Smirkin Dirk
                                It's a weird look when they CPU is guarding my Finney-Smith off ball quite tightly (78 3PT rating) but they sag off him once he catches the ball to give the open 3.
                                Same applies to Post up situations in which you sometimes see when Drummond gets ball low post, your onball defender sags off of him(which is great touch) but then you sometimes see they do the same thing to a big threat like Embiid but sometimes they don't do it to Embiid and tight him as well. So that's confusing to really understand what they are really trying to do esp. on ball and off.

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