Please turn the help defense, and cutter help defense back to were it was on release

[Luke Skywalker]

Re: Please turn the help defense, and cutter help defense back to were it was on rele

Just to be clear, what’s the difference between jump shot strength & gather in the defensive settings?

Gonna try turning both down to 40 on the User side to see if I can start making ANY contested jump shots.

Eccentric has a whole thread in the slider section regarding both. Czar has videos on YouTube.

[mascherano222]

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That's a shame IMO. There are guys who get double-teams IRL without having a mismatch advantage, so to see no doubles even with a mismatch is discouraging.

I really can't understand why something this fundamental is being overlooked. Ruins the game for me.

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[The 24th Letter]

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That's a shame IMO. There are guys who get double-teams IRL without having a mismatch advantage, so to see no doubles even with a mismatch is discouraging.

It's one of those game/real life things...

The way the floor is spread now, and with the lack of 1 on 1 post play....straight up double teams rarely happen. Most teams are content to take their chances on post ups that aren't Embid and a few others..but I understand the complaint. There should be some situations.

2K21's double teams seemed to be strictly number related. Tim Duncan would get doubled when posting up Karl Malone all game...it was annoying.



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[vannwolfhawk]

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So, last night I was playing and once again I saw 0 help on PNR’s. The the same thing happened this morning. 0 help. I manually quit the game and restarted it and came back in and I now am seeing help again like yesterday. I’m not sure why that is happening and if it’s causing this for others as well? But it’s worth a shot. It might be why we have differing views of broke and it’s working fine.

[vannwolfhawk]

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I agree with the hedge defender. There is to much focus on the ballhandler. It is hell to get a floater off in this game. Even though, I think the pnr defense is in a good place the fact I can rarely get off a floater is a problem. Hopefully Czar can add some variety in the hedge defender.

The floaters are beautiful in this game and the best they have ever been IMO. But if there was proper drop coverage it could open the floater game up like irl. The big should drop down and not hedge it. This would also help with not needing to send help as much and rotations for cpu. As is now I use a ton of floaters on ISO’s but can’t really use them at all on PNR’s as is. But I got Trey young cpu killing me with the floaters lol

[The 24th Letter]

Re: Please turn the help defense, and cutter help defense back to were it was on rele

The floaters are beautiful in this game and the best they have ever been IMO. But if there was proper drop coverage it could open the floater game up like irl. The big should drop down and not hedge it. This would also help with not needing to send help as much and rotations for cpu. As is now I use a ton of floaters on ISO’s but can’t really use them at all on PNR’s as is. But I got Trey young cpu killing me with the floaters lol

Definitely some nice floaters man. There are guards in Rec that have mastered it and really use it as a weapon. I definitely wish they were more accessible USER/CPU .

I did get this nice one as Donaldson came over to draw a charge, lol

https://streamable.com/s1xe69

This was also a nice play. I like how you can roast the centers more easily now. Someone forgot to tell the Mavs there isn't any help, lol

https://streamable.com/cbqqqy

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[kwabalicious]

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Help defense was working very well for me a couple days ago for like a day. Now it is just as bad as it was several days ago or even worse. No help on the roll man. No help on drives. Occasional strongside help but this isn't the kind of help we even want.

I would be playing this game for hours a day but I can't play it right now. Begging for them to turn the real help defense rotations back on instead of whatever crap they have right now.

Why is this so hard? 2ks been making basketball games for 20+ years and still doesn't understand basic help defense? Even when they get it mostly right like this year they think they're doing it wrong and nuke it.

[jeebs9]

Re: Please turn the help defense, and cutter help defense back to were it was on rele

The floaters are beautiful in this game and the best they have ever been IMO. But if there was proper drop coverage it could open the floater game up like irl. The big should drop down and not hedge it. This would also help with not needing to send help as much and rotations for cpu. As is now I use a ton of floaters on ISO’s but can’t really use them at all on PNR’s as is. But I got Trey young cpu killing me with the floaters lol

Nail on the head right here. Drop coverage is terrible. Manual I can get it to work. But it's terrible.

[Reddcheese]

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Just hopped on my PS5 and was seeing no help D. So strange people are seeing different things.

I feel like there must be some epic ideological P&R war going down at 2k HQ pitting the forces of Sim against the malevolent casual community. I can't imagine Czar sticking around too long if they scrap his masterpiece. That would be so disheartening.

If not an epic war maybe they're just testing things and looking to see community reactions. Still hoping this thread wins out and we get some defense back.

[EccentricMeat]

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Yes, should have stated this as well in a previous post.

You can accomplish in 2 ways. Shot coverage and defensive strength whether you want contested shots to be tougher or easier…

Eccentric, what system are you on?

I’m on PS5, you?

I’m really interested in testing how the new Shot Coverage can be utilized with higher defense strength settings. I’ve always felt the game played better and triggered more animations with higher defense sliders, but the negative effects on shooting percentage were always untenable. Now we should be able to get the best of both worlds.

[AIRJ23]

Re: Please turn the help defense, and cutter help defense back to were it was on rele

I’m on PS5, you?

I’m really interested in testing how the new Shot Coverage can be utilized with higher defense strength settings. I’ve always felt the game played better and triggered more animations with higher defense sliders, but the negative effects on shooting percentage were always untenable. Now we should be able to get the best of both worlds.

That’s what’s confusing me. It would seem the new shot coverage/coverage sliders in the shooting section would do the same thing as the jump shot defense strength settings?

[vannwolfhawk]

Re: Please turn the help defense, and cutter help defense back to were it was on rele

I’m on PS5, you?

I’m really interested in testing how the new Shot Coverage can be utilized with higher defense strength settings. I’ve always felt the game played better and triggered more animations with higher defense sliders, but the negative effects on shooting percentage were always untenable. Now we should be able to get the best of both worlds.

That’s what’s confusing me. It would seem the new shot coverage/coverage sliders in the shooting section would do the same thing as the jump shot defense strength settings?

Xbox X

I think it’s a combo of all 4 of these and balancing them.

Help D Strength
Shot Coverage Impact
Jump Shot Defense Strength (Gather)
Jump Shot Defense Strength (Release)

I highly suggest looking at eccentrics signature and the 3 threads he has below his post. The best way to tell is by keeping shot feedback on for both user and cpu. Then you can see the effects and balance from there. It’s great we now have all these options to dial it in.

[AIRJ23]

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Xbox X

I think it’s a combo of all 4 of these and balancing them.

Help D Strength
Shot Coverage Impact
Jump Shot Defense Strength (Gather)
Jump Shot Defense Strength (Release)

I highly suggest looking at eccentrics signature and the 3 threads he has below his post. The best way to tell is by keeping shot feedback on for both user and cpu. Then you can see the effects and balance from there. It’s great we now have all these options to dial it in.

Re: Help D strength, this is obviously a setting that controls the *strength of the help D the game provides* and doesn’t actually provide MORE help D, correct?

[Smirkin Dirk]

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I do like how smaller defenders will register less contest. That was in a few years back and I think it was missing in 19 and 20.

[vannwolfhawk]

Re: Please turn the help defense, and cutter help defense back to were it was on rele

Re: Help D strength, this is obviously a setting that controls the *strength of the help D the game provides* and doesn’t actually provide MORE help D, correct?

Yes it doesn’t provide more help d. That’s the coaching gameplan / coaching slider / help defense (sets how often players will help out on defense).

If I’m not mistaken (and refer to eccentrics research here), but from my understanding and from tweaking it’s also determines how close defender is and contests. If there is a defender, help close it will register contested the higher you go. So if your help comes it plays more of a factor.

For example with it low and I go and shoot a stepback and create a ton of space from the on ball defender I’m open but let’s say that I ended up right by a cpu off ball defender it’s still open. At higher numbers it’s the opposite. At least that’s what I have noticed as far as in shot feedback when testing it. Hope that makes sense?