Please turn the help defense, and cutter help defense back to were it was on release

[The 24th Letter]

Re: Please turn the help defense, and cutter help defense back to were it was on rele

Is Version 2.0.0.14 the latest version?

Didn't see any kind of patch on XBOX this morning.

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[Smirkin Dirk]

Re: Please turn the help defense, and cutter help defense back to were it was on rele

Is Version 2.0.0.14 the latest version?

Didn't see any kind of patch on XBOX this morning.

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Ive got the .13 version and Ive just been sent offline so I guess it wants to give me the patch.

Maybe yours downloaded when your box was off?

[EccentricMeat]

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That’s what’s confusing me. It would seem the new shot coverage/coverage sliders in the shooting section would do the same thing as the jump shot defense strength settings?

No, because the defense strength settings control more than just how covered a shot attempt is. They affect awareness, decision making, animations, urgency, AND shot coverage. But in previous years you couldn’t set them too high or else the shooting game became a “wide open or miss” situation, so you had to compromise and lose out on some of the benefits and configurability.

[Smirkin Dirk]

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We are seriously reaching. every time I see something, I play another team, or play some more games, and its gone.

The defense has fundamentally changed for the worse since release. Its a real shame.

[pjt8405]

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Has anyone heard from Da_Czar in the past week? I get worried when I don't see any activity on his Twitter feed as he has been battling health concerns off and on for the past couple of years. I hope he's OK and maybe he's just in the lab working but just wanted to ask to see if anyone has been able to touch base with him. Health is most important!

[alabamarob]

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It's a weird look when they CPU is guarding my Finney-Smith off ball quite tightly (78 3PT rating) but they sag off him once he catches the ball to give the open 3.

I personally think it is backwards. The cushion they give players should be off ball more then on ball. If they sagged of Finney off ball it would be smart to help on drives, then guard on catch.

I think it's a bug. Hopefully we see the same sag we are seeing just off ball. To be able to gap on ball but not off ball is a return to the stone ages. That would be a Nintendo type error.

[AIRJ23]

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In order to make it easier to make shots regardless of my shot timing, do I want shot timing impact on the USER side to be higher or lower? I decided to play with the meter off therefore would rather perfect timing not be as necessary considering it’s hard enough without a meter.

[el jimmy]

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I'm convinced at this point that the game gets worse with every update.

- cpu no longer running plays (constant drives into the paint)
- less instances of help d on the roll or even iso drives.
- lots of hip ride / blow by animations
- pitiful on ball d to match the pnr d
- sliders that do nothing (or are backwards and confusing)

But hey at least there's no corner three's on 5 outs..

The suits at 2k must have relinquished control from the devs.

[vannwolfhawk]

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I forced a drive and I do see help at times. For some reason the processing speed of the cpu defenders just feels a step slow too often. So when help comes it’s too late. The sagging threshold needs to be adjusted.

One game after the patch and the thing I noticed most was more deflections and steals off dribbles into traffic.

https://twitter.com/rudyjuly2/status...937230848?s=21

Both of these things! I agree 100%.

I don’t think the cpu can react fast enough on a sprint off a pnr at times. Sometimes the help would come as I hit the lane so i was throwing more drift passes late as I saw the rotation rather than taking the layup I’d pass out for the 3.

But I also got more deflections and help on drive steals which I liked.

So I’m confused though. Did the game get patched? I’m wondering if I got that last night and that’s why the help? Yep just checked I’m on 2.0.0.14 so that’s probably why the difference last night. Maybe not a slider thing. Lmao

[vannwolfhawk]

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Tried coaching slider help D at 100 and 0. Doesn’t seem to make a difference. Driving is exactly like 2K21 now. No help, no doubles, I just do some dribble moves and waltz in. On the new update.

What a shame. They ruined such a good game. Now the defense is OP where you don’t want it to be, and a cinch where you don’t want it to be.

2K is done for us. It’s basically NBA Jam with annoying perimeter D that’s both easy to shake but also not easy to find a clear jump shot on. This game proves it. They released a game just for us. And it took a couple weeks to patch out what made it good.

The more I tested I’m pretty sure it’s all ACE. Help comes or doesn’t come. Sometimes I’d play a quarter with all kinds of help and 3-4 different coverages after a cpu timeout. If I got 6 points in the paint cpu would call a timeout and adjust. Then I’d see new coverages. The next game I’d start it would be no help. If that’s how it is I like the adjustments but I’d rather see adjustments play to play. Not timeout to timeout.

[AIRJ23]

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The more I tested I’m pretty sure it’s all ACE. Help comes or doesn’t come. Sometimes I’d play a quarter with all kinds of help and 3-4 different coverages after a cpu timeout. If I got 6 points in the paint cpu would call a timeout and adjust. Then I’d see new coverages. The next game I’d start it would be no help. If that’s how it is I like the adjustments but I’d rather see adjustments play to play. Not timeout to timeout.

I noticed something interesting in my defensive settings. For some reason double teams in post and perimeter were set to “manual” while everything else was auto.

I hoped setting it to auto would be a fix, but so far I’m still not seeing doubles. Might be worth toying with though.

If I turn my shot meter off and don’t want timing to be so sensitive, do you know if I should raise or lower the user timing sensitivity slider? Kinda confused on that.

[vannwolfhawk]

Re: Please turn the help defense, and cutter help defense back to were it was on rele

Is Version 2.0.0.14 the latest version?

Didn't see any kind of patch on XBOX this morning.

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Yes…

10 char

[vannwolfhawk]

Re: Please turn the help defense, and cutter help defense back to were it was on rele

No, because the defense strength settings control more than just how covered a shot attempt is. They affect awareness, decision making, animations, urgency, AND shot coverage. But in previous years you couldn’t set them too high or else the shooting game became a “wide open or miss” situation, so you had to compromise and lose out on some of the benefits and configurability.

Interesting. I zeroed these out last night and saw some good stuff. Was just messing around with it. Didn’t know it had multiple effects. I will have to 100 it to see the difference. Thanks!

[vannwolfhawk]

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In order to make it easier to make shots regardless of my shot timing, do I want shot timing impact on the USER side to be higher or lower? I decided to play with the meter off therefore would rather perfect timing not be as necessary considering it’s hard enough without a meter.

If you want easier for user put shot timing lower. Try 30-35. This means you will make more non perfects. Plus user bonus for no shot meter being used.

[alabamarob]

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With all due respect this is not up to par.

The defense this morning is back to not helping at all, after 4 or 5 days of helping. It’s back to a one v one battle everytime down the floor while everyone else stands around and watch.

I am confused by what is going on. The main improvement this year was supposed to be help defense. It was in the game. Then it was removed, and then put back in. Now removed again?

I guess I am going to have to put this game back down until it gets some direction. I am very confused.