Please turn the help defense, and cutter help defense back to were it was on release

[amioran]

Re: Please turn the help defense, and cutter help defense back to were it was on rele

I hear you. The jumpshot gather and release sliders are useful here.

Technically this reduce s the contest percentage but it still looks like you’re hitting contested shots.

It's not the same because the release sliders effectively reduce the contest strength. The lower you put it and the less impact a contest actually has (for example from 40% to 5%). It is not the same as actually making contested shots per se, you simply literally remove the context the more you lower the slider. You see this difference clearly, for example, in the animations that are played.

[Smirkin Dirk]

Re: Please turn the help defense, and cutter help defense back to were it was on rele

It's not the same because the release sliders effectively reduce the contest strength. The lower you put it and the less impact a contest actually has (for example from 40% to 5%). It is not the same as actually making contested shots per se, you simply literally remove the context the more you lower the slider. You see this difference clearly, for example, in the animations that are played.

I know but it’s the best balance I’ve found.

[amioran]

Re: Please turn the help defense, and cutter help defense back to were it was on rele

I know but it’s the best balance I’ve found.

Oh, yes, sure, until a proper slider that affects contested shots per se (without influencing anything else) the release sliders are literally the only real option. There are so many sliders that 2K could implement so that sim players could at least use to tailor the experience to resemble a little more NBA basketball instead of a gameplay meant for 1 vs 1 gameplay.

However the fact that this year they actually added a couple of sliders more could be a good sign for the future, who knows.

[Reddcheese]

Re: Please turn the help defense, and cutter help defense back to were it was on rele

But this fight ain’t over boys! The season hasn’t even started yet. Lol

Stirring words Vann. Have you considered running at the next election for SimNation president? Surely DaCzar is under pressure after PnRgate! I think DaVann has a much less authoritarian ring to it. #DaVann42k23

[rudyjuly2]

Re: Please turn the help defense, and cutter help defense back to were it was on rele

In 1 of the videos 24 posted earlier the czar said we don’t have the tech to separate Updates or changes YET so I’m assuming that will come in a year or 2 and really it has to so they can separate modes and the changes that each mode need or are required. I’m just speculating and going off his comment though so idk?

We have a help Defense slider for offline play and defensive settings that simply don’t work. Just give us the tools to customize our experience.

As an example. Maybe corner help comes 50% of the time on default. But tie it to the overall help slider. If I set it to 75 the corner help comes 75% of the time. If I set it to 0 then help never comes. For online modes that don’t use sliders then simply adjust it behind the scenes to what they want (like 0% corner help). I think 2K can please more people by customizing modes and the random probabilities of their actions. Tie some of the decision making to sliders and defensive settings.

[AIRJ23]

Re: Please turn the help defense, and cutter help defense back to were it was on rele

This pretty much hits the nail in the head.

The standard next gen version of 2k is pretty damn expensive in my country and as of this moment, I frankly feel scammed.

After buying 2k21 and hating that game for it's non existent defence, I was lead to believe through developer blogs and general marketing that the focus on the game this year was defence.

I'd wager that it's even a bullet point on the back of the box.(don't know for sure, have the digital version).

I buy 2k22 after seeing overwhelming evidence that the games cpu defence is improved (particularly in the pnr) and for three weeks it was.

Now I'm essentially left with an expensive digital file that is no use to me because the reason I purchased it has been removed.

And if the solution is "it will be fixed in 23" I'm sorry, that's not good enough, I waited a year for a better game and now a month from launch I've been re- gifted last year's game.

I'm not trying to be over dramatic or anything, but advertising a feature and removing it after consumer purchase seems dodgy.

Anyone who thinks it’ll be fixed in 23 are fooling themselves. It was already fixed in 22, then unfixed.

It’ll probably be “fixed” again in the first version of the game, and then they’ll patch said fixes out again after the “comp” crowd gets their diapers in a wad and forces 2K to make their “basketball game” appease non basketball players.

The only way I’d even consider buying 2K23 is if they make a feature that allows us an option for different gameplay coding from the online crowd. That’s the only thing that matters going forward.

Otherwise we’re stuck with 2K21 forever. With magnetic on ball D and no help D.

[Dione2014]

Re: Please turn the help defense, and cutter help defense back to were it was on rele

I know a lot of you may not want to hear this, but I think our time with the 2K franchise has passed. The demographic is much different than it was 10 to 15 years ago.

See Back then it use to be about creating the most realistic hoops experience year after year. You could see the improvements. It really got you excited to see what could be done with future tech.

It was the beginning of then end when VC was introduced in 2K13 coupled with mypark coming a year later in 14. This ushered in an entirely different fanbase thus being in the sports RPG era.

It’s not about basketball anymore. 2K is selling us an online RPG experience with a basketball skin on it. 2K is trying to create a more easily digestible brand of basketball to please a fanbase that isn’t all that interested in basketball.

We’ve been replaced by a new core demographic. No longer basketball lovers and purist, but the lowest common denominator is what is catered to. This is why our complaints typically go on deaf ears. This is why nothing seems to ever get fixed and if it does it’s usually sorta kinda half assed “fixed”.

We’ve been taken out back to the shed fellas. It’s time to wrap it up. Things aren’t going up from here. I wouldn’t be surprised if 10 to 20 years from now 2K gets rid of the NBA license.

[alabamarob]

Re: Please turn the help defense, and cutter help defense back to were it was on rele

I just went on Twitter (24’s earlier recommendation) to czars page to see what was going on there. I went into 1 of the comments on a czar post (did I just say that out loud? Lol) and wow!

I saw like 10-15 comments of rec guys or my players (I don’t even know what they are called or mode they play?) talking about and asking for no corner help, why is help coming, stop help from coming, etc.

Then I saw other comments about how hard it is to get past the cpu. Bigs are too fast.

I mean that’s the feedback. Those were the changes that were made specifically in the latest patch.

The pull from all directions & struggle is real. Lol

So now we have a battle going on with the other side of the coin. It will be interesting to see how 2k handles this and appeases both communities. Especially if you can’t bring the help back then you will need to bring back the tougher on ball d that was also complained about. I mean someone will never be happy regardless. At what point does 2k stick to their guns and vision of how the game should be played. I think most here want a simulation of real basketball options and play with a difficulty attached to it. Is that feasible nowadays unless they create 2 separate experiences for both crowds so they can change each accordingly? I almost miss the days of the game I bought on release was what I got all year. On the flip side of that I remember game breaking bugs that would kill a game until the next year. So it’s a catch 22 for me.

At this point the question is who do you listen to? Who’s giving the feedback that I trust? Or is it who’s higher on the totem pole? I get we are in the minority here and I’m sure especially czar wants real basketball concepts in as he’s a sim guy but I can’t help but think there is this inner push/pull fight going on and we are losing currently. But this fight ain’t over boys! The season hasn’t even started yet. Lol

That's a cop out statement Vann. There is no competing interest. He gave them a working defensive setting that works called no help. So they can actually keep the corner man from dropping. We are not given a defensive setting that brings help.

Why even add the option and then change it. That's weak

[sperlz_99]

Re: Please turn the help defense, and cutter help defense back to were it was on rele

I know a lot of you may not want to hear this, but I think our time with the 2K franchise has passed. The demographic is much different than it was 10 to 15 years ago.

See Back then it use to be about creating the most realistic hoops experience year after year. You could see the improvements. It really got you excited to see what could be done with future tech.

It was the beginning of then end when VC was introduced in 2K13 coupled with mypark coming a year later in 14. This ushered in an entirely different fanbase thus being in the sports RPG era.

It’s not about basketball anymore. 2K is selling us an online RPG experience with a basketball skin on it. 2K is trying to create a more easily digestible brand of basketball to please a fanbase that isn’t all that interested in basketball.

We’ve been replaced by a new core demographic. No longer basketball lovers and purist, but the lowest common denominator is what is catered to. This is why our complaints typically go on deaf ears. This is why nothing seems to ever get fixed and if it does it’s usually sorta kinda half assed “fixed”.

We’ve been taken out back to the shed fellas. It’s time to wrap it up. Things aren’t going up from here. I wouldn’t be surprised if 10 to 20 years from now 2K gets rid of the NBA license.

And this is the reason why I just traded in the game. I took about a 25% loss on what I bought it for but I just know this thread to them is not a priority, if anything for them this thread is a nuisance they just wish would go away. They've fixed the game to suit their majority and chances are it won't be going back.

And neither will I to them, its not the kind of game I want to play that's for sure. I feel for you guys who are hard-core basketball fans and just want a playable game but what can you do?

[el jimmy]

Re: Please turn the help defense, and cutter help defense back to were it was on rele

Stirring words Vann. Have you considered running at the next election for SimNation president? Surely DaCzar is under pressure after PnRgate! I think DaVann has a much less authoritarian ring to it. #DaVann42k23

Pnrgate. I love it.

I also agree that their excuses are weak sauce, and I think we will see a future 2k game without the NBA licence.

2kpark 25 or something like that.

[ataman5]

Re: Please turn the help defense, and cutter help defense back to were it was on rele

At this point the question is who do you listen to? Who’s giving the feedback that I trust? Or is it who’s higher on the totem pole? I get we are in the minority here and I’m sure especially czar wants real basketball concepts in as he’s a sim guy but I can’t help but think there is this inner push/pull fight going on and we are losing currently. But this fight ain’t over boys! The season hasn’t even started yet. Lol

Unfortunately Vann sorry to be the pessimist here and i hope nothing but i would be the wrong one but that battle was lost like 5-6 years ago. All we get is some snippets of hope of basketball simulation in some ways with day1 gameplays but then...

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[AIRJ23]

Re: Please turn the help defense, and cutter help defense back to were it was on rele

What’s most annoying is sometimes I will get a double. And it’s glorious and so effective (yet so sporadic and inconsistent, not nearly common enough). Then the next play Embiid will be backing up Mugsy Bogues with no help.

[loso_34]

Re: Please turn the help defense, and cutter help defense back to were it was on rele

That's a cop out statement Vann. There is no competing interest. He gave them a working defensive setting that works called no help. So they can actually keep the corner man from dropping. We are not giving a defensive setting that brings help.

Why even add the option and then change it. That's weak

It’s been two cycles and they still have Scott og’s defensive settings which 2k admits don’t work. There are no excuses. I believe Scott og did a better job with within the same time frame from when he was hired, albeit he didn’t do a good job of explaining much.

[MrWrestling3]

Re: Please turn the help defense, and cutter help defense back to were it was on rele

I know a lot of you may not want to hear this, but I think our time with the 2K franchise has passed. The demographic is much different than it was 10 to 15 years ago.

See Back then it use to be about creating the most realistic hoops experience year after year. You could see the improvements. It really got you excited to see what could be done with future tech.

It was the beginning of then end when VC was introduced in 2K13 coupled with mypark coming a year later in 14. This ushered in an entirely different fanbase thus being in the sports RPG era.

It’s not about basketball anymore. 2K is selling us an online RPG experience with a basketball skin on it. 2K is trying to create a more easily digestible brand of basketball to please a fanbase that isn’t all that interested in basketball.

We’ve been replaced by a new core demographic. No longer basketball lovers and purist, but the lowest common denominator is what is catered to. This is why our complaints typically go on deaf ears. This is why nothing seems to ever get fixed and if it does it’s usually sorta kinda half assed “fixed”.

We’ve been taken out back to the shed fellas. It’s time to wrap it up. Things aren’t going up from here. I wouldn’t be surprised if 10 to 20 years from now 2K gets rid of the NBA license.

This is almost exactly my feelings and why I didn't buy 2K this year.It's gone from being a decent sports simulation to a sports themed ARPG that you can get to play kinda like a simulation if you're willing to spend hours on hours tweaking.

Each year it becomes a little less real basketball and a little more like a lazy basketball mod for Grand Theft Auto Online (another Take 2 property, you can even see some of the same design elements and philosophies that made their way over to 2K). Most of its major selling points are now centered around getting players online and spending money on micros as much as possible.

Personally I never really enjoyed playing online with random people in any game(outside of online co op) and I could definitely care less about dressing my dude up in goofy looking clothes or being a rapper or a model . Time for me to put the current 2K games down and just play modded older 2K games that are a better fit for me.

[NYJin2011tm]

Re: Please turn the help defense, and cutter help defense back to were it was on rele

If only we could select which patch version we individually want to use like NHL did with tuners.