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  • loso_34
    MVP
    • Jul 2010
    • 1346

    #451
    Re: Please turn the help defense, and cutter help defense back to were it was on rele

    Originally posted by The 24th Letter
    With all due respect- it's quite the opposite.

    The outdated nose in air view toward online play is alive well...particularly in the "sim" community..

    I can't remember a time where an online player came into a MyGm/League thread lamenting how they aren't interested in the mode, and that its mere exististance annoys them...or trying to equate their mode preference with maturity level.

    I understand ame's approach isn't for everyone...TBH it should moreso be geared toward our frustrated online sim brothers....but I get it

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    I see it all the time on Reddit. There’s always two sides to a coin there’s no need to lambast ame.

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    • bo_jax2000
      MVP
      • Nov 2007
      • 1158

      #452
      Re: Please turn the help defense, and cutter help defense back to were it was on rele

      Originally posted by Luke Skywalker
      I lost faith in Czar. I’m resorting to sliders: making defense OP and watering down the offensive play. It’s really the only solution to enjoying this game (for me).


      I don’t understand attitudes like this. The one developer that even attempts to communicate with Operation Sports and a lot of people use his name in vain. I’m sure he doesn’t control what aspects of his vision are used in the game. I would understand if he stops being so open since it seems to be taken for granted.

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      • vannwolfhawk
        MVP
        • Jun 2009
        • 3412

        #453
        Re: Please turn the help defense, and cutter help defense back to were it was on rele

        Originally posted by The 24th Letter
        With all due respect- it's quite the opposite.

        The outdated nose in air view toward online play is alive well...particularly in the "sim" community..

        I can't remember a time where an online player came into a MyGm/League thread lamenting how they aren't interested in the mode, and that its mere exististance annoys them...or trying to equate their mode preference with maturity level.

        I understand ame's approach isn't for everyone...TBH it should moreso be geared toward our frustrated online sim brothers....but I get it

        Sent from my SM-G781U using Tapatalk
        I get both sides. I used to play mostly all online in leagues. Then I had a daughter. I remember when she was crawling around, I was in a heated online league game in the 3rd quarter of a 12 minute game and she saw the light on the Xbox and decided to touch it… noooooooo lol

        It’s easy offline with kids especially to hop on when I want, pause game come back and finish after getting daughter food, etc. not as easy to play long games online when you got responsibilities. Lol I’d love to though but just not as feasible as it once was… so now I rely on cpu AI and to get that dialed in so I can enjoy it because out of the box just isn’t where it’s at either.
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        • NYJin2011tm
          MVP
          • Oct 2011
          • 2762

          #454
          Re: Please turn the help defense, and cutter help defense back to were it was on rele

          Originally posted by bo_jax2000
          I don’t understand attitudes like this. The one developer that even attempts to communicate with Operation Sports and a lot of people use his name in vain. I’m sure he doesn’t control what aspects of his vision are used in the game. I would understand if he stops being so open since it seems to be taken for granted.
          Yea I remember right in the beginning he said ok I’ve done my work. But I remember him warning us after complaints came in the changes to D would be out of his control.

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          • NYJin2011tm
            MVP
            • Oct 2011
            • 2762

            #455
            Re: Please turn the help defense, and cutter help defense back to were it was on rele

            Originally posted by bo_jax2000
            Are people really only using the pick and roll to turbo by the defender and throw lobs? If you actually use the screen, the mid range game is viable.

            https://youtu.be/R7U-rvUGkEc
            I agree with you. I don’t use manual PnR and haven’t since 16. I use auto playcalling and just run whatever is called.

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            • Quentin32
              Pro
              • Sep 2015
              • 545

              #456
              Re: Please turn the help defense, and cutter help defense back to were it was on rele

              It’s 2021 please show at least a quarter worth of pick & roll spamming. Words mean nothing. Show vids

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              • bo_jax2000
                MVP
                • Nov 2007
                • 1158

                #457
                Re: Please turn the help defense, and cutter help defense back to were it was on rele

                Originally posted by NYJin2011tm
                I agree with you. I don’t use manual PnR and haven’t since 16. I use auto playcalling and just run whatever is called.


                Not sure if you watched the video in the post, but Czar explains that setting up the screen can lead to the game opening up. I use the pick and roll to look for an open shot. If the guy goes under the screen, you will have a wide open shot.

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                • loso_34
                  MVP
                  • Jul 2010
                  • 1346

                  #458
                  Re: Please turn the help defense, and cutter help defense back to were it was on rele

                  Originally posted by bo_jax2000
                  I don’t understand attitudes like this. The one developer that even attempts to communicate with Operation Sports and a lot of people use his name in vain. I’m sure he doesn’t control what aspects of his vision are used in the game. I would understand if he stops being so open since it seems to be taken for granted.
                  Mike wang’s is on here as well. Thanks to some feedback here we can turn off shot feedback. The removal of shot aiming which was czar/beluba’s baby illustrated they have no control.

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                  • rudyjuly2
                    Cade Cunningham
                    • Aug 2002
                    • 14815

                    #459
                    Re: Please turn the help defense, and cutter help defense back to were it was on rele

                    I don’t know why fundamental PNR defence is so flawed two years in a row. But Czar is in charge of it so the buck stops there imo. Is it because he’s being tasked with both offence and defence and has too many responsibilities? Is it because the next gen system is so flawed it can’t be fixed? Are there competing interests between modes? Either way 2K needs to dedicate more resources or changes to defence. The status Quo is not working and not acceptable.

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                    • The 24th Letter
                      ERA
                      • Oct 2007
                      • 39373

                      #460
                      Re: Please turn the help defense, and cutter help defense back to were it was on rele

                      Originally posted by loso_34
                      I see it all the time on Reddit. There’s always two sides to a coin there’s no need to lambast ame.
                      Wasn't trying to lambast anyone tbh...Definitely speaking on something tangible though

                      You'll have to point me toward these anti-MyLeaguers on Reddit though, I frequent there.
                      Originally posted by bo_jax2000
                      I don’t understand attitudes like this. The one developer that even attempts to communicate with Operation Sports and a lot of people use his name in vain. I’m sure he doesn’t control what aspects of his vision are used in the game. I would understand if he stops being so open since it seems to be taken for granted.
                      For real. I understand the frustration...but he's been keeping it A1 with the community and interacting with the community since the game dropped. He steps away for a bit and we start talking crazy...

                      People won't quote Czars latest pinned tweet for some reason..they were all over the last one. [emoji2377]



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                      • bo_jax2000
                        MVP
                        • Nov 2007
                        • 1158

                        #461
                        Re: Please turn the help defense, and cutter help defense back to were it was on rele

                        Originally posted by loso_34
                        Mike wang’s is on here as well. Thanks to some feedback here we can turn off shot feedback. The removal of shot aiming which was czar/beluba’s baby illustrated they have no control.


                        I was speaking more to the fact that Czar is still active with the site. Can’t remember the last time that Mike posted here.

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                        • vannwolfhawk
                          MVP
                          • Jun 2009
                          • 3412

                          #462
                          Re: Please turn the help defense, and cutter help defense back to were it was on rele

                          Originally posted by rudyjuly2
                          I don’t know why fundamental PNR defence is so flawed two years in a row. But Czar is in charge of it so the buck stops there imo. Is it because he’s being tasked with both offence and defence and has too many responsibilities? Is it because the next gen system is so flawed it can’t be fixed? Are there competing interests between modes? Either way 2K needs to dedicate more resources or changes to defence. The status Quo is not working and not acceptable.
                          What’s crazy is all we need is a tag on the roll and an X out scramble rotation. How hard is that and why isn’t it in? There has to be a reason. It’s too simple of a concept to not have in.

                          Id have to think it’s causing problems somewhere in the community or game, but it can’t be worse than what we have now though.
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                          • bo_jax2000
                            MVP
                            • Nov 2007
                            • 1158

                            #463
                            Re: Please turn the help defense, and cutter help defense back to were it was on rele

                            Originally posted by rudyjuly2
                            I don’t know why fundamental PNR defence is so flawed two years in a row. But Czar is in charge of it so the buck stops there imo. Is it because he’s being tasked with both offence and defence and has too many responsibilities? Is it because the next gen system is so flawed it can’t be fixed? Are there competing interests between modes? Either way 2K needs to dedicate more resources or changes to defence. The status Quo is not working and not acceptable.


                            Did the buck stop there when OG was involved? Since his name was mentioned in this thread for no reason.

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                            • jfsolo
                              Live Action, please?
                              • May 2003
                              • 12965

                              #464
                              Re: Please turn the help defense, and cutter help defense back to were it was on rele

                              Originally posted by rudyjuly2
                              I don’t know why fundamental PNR defence is so flawed two years in a row. But Czar is in charge of it so the buck stops there imo. Is it because he’s being tasked with both offence and defence and has too many responsibilities? Is it because the next gen system is so flawed it can’t be fixed? Are there competing interests between modes? Either way 2K needs to dedicate more resources or changes to defence. The status Quo is not working and not acceptable.
                              IMO, this is unfortunately a permanent shackle on the design and implementation of core basketball principles. User vs CPU play in all sports games are now inexorably linked to H2H online balancing
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                              • vannwolfhawk
                                MVP
                                • Jun 2009
                                • 3412

                                #465
                                Re: Please turn the help defense, and cutter help defense back to were it was on rele

                                Originally posted by jfsolo
                                IMO, this is unfortunately a permanent shackle on the design and implementation of core basketball principles. User vs CPU play in all sports games are now inexorably linked to H2H online balancing
                                This has to be the reason. Maybe online H2H exploits the help to easy and doesn’t want to leave shooters open because the cpu is helping on the roll? It’s why some have said to separate the 2. But that’s not an option yet I’m assuming.
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