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  • coolcras7
    MVP
    • Sep 2009
    • 2337

    #436
    Re: Please turn the help defense, and cutter help defense back to were it was on rele

    I am taking a break from this game until I hear that help defense is back in the game.
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    • Smirkin Dirk
      All Star
      • Oct 2008
      • 5179

      #437
      Re: Please turn the help defense, and cutter help defense back to were it was on rele

      Sigh....just went into scrimmage. Saw some help. Not consistent, not always from the right spot, but I saw some.
      2022 'Plug and play' sim roster (XBX)

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      • Reddcheese
        Rookie
        • Oct 2012
        • 73

        #438
        Re: Please turn the help defense, and cutter help defense back to were it was on rele

        I guess my new aim/minigame is to see how many PIP I can get whilst maxxing out defensive settings on HOF.

        At 1/2 time I got up to 68. Trae with 38 on 19/20 ,Capela with 14 7/8 and Collins with 8 on 4/5.

        This is sooooo fun just like 2k21 but with $89 rookies. Can’t believe how intelligent the AI is. Technology continues to amaze me each year!

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        • strosdood
          MVP
          • Nov 2020
          • 1166

          #439
          Re: Please turn the help defense, and cutter help defense back to were it was on rele

          Originally posted by coolcras7
          I am taking a break from this game until I hear that help defense is back in the game.


          You’ll never know if u read these posts [emoji23] every 5 mins it’s different


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          • JimmyK
            Rookie
            • Jul 2009
            • 165

            #440
            Re: Please turn the help defense, and cutter help defense back to were it was on rele

            We all knew how this was going to go. They said they wouldn't do it but they caved like always to the group who cries at launch. Nobody wants to adjust to the new 2k gameplay ever, they just get on twitter and spam them until they change it and make it play like every other 2k.

            Just look at people STILL complaining about steals. Nobody wants to adjust to steals, just complain until they are nerfed until they are useless. Anybody want to make a bet that by 2k23 release steals are useless on 2k22? I already expected it.

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            • jrose57
              MVP
              • Dec 2007
              • 3513

              #441
              Re: Please turn the help defense, and cutter help defense back to were it was on rele

              Originally posted by amedawg00
              Sometimes I wonder why Sim players torture themselves with the AI, sliders, and everything in between trying to get realistic outcomes. None of these issues are magnified when you play in online leagues against actual human beings who know when and where to bring help amongst other anticipatory and reactionary counters that an AI can never replicate. Join an online league with like minded Sim ballers and Grow the online league community. Stop torturing yourselves with offline play against the robotic and deeply flawed AI. Once you find a legit online league you will cease the madness and torture of dealing with the AI.

              Sent from my SM-G998U1 using Tapatalk
              I can write an essay to respond to what you just said but rather do something else, in short, I like playing with the AI, and not against other USER, I like building a team winning championship in myleague mode, have been doing that for 10 years, simple as this.

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              • Smirkin Dirk
                All Star
                • Oct 2008
                • 5179

                #442
                Re: Please turn the help defense, and cutter help defense back to were it was on rele

                Some evidence that it's sort of in the game still.

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                And this is interesting. Ive seen it a fair bit. A CPU defender reacts to the roll. No help comes, but this indcates the game does recognise when a roll comes. Watch Garland in the corner.

                https://<iframe width="560" height="...reen></iframe>

                2022 'Plug and play' sim roster (XBX)

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                • jrose57
                  MVP
                  • Dec 2007
                  • 3513

                  #443
                  Re: Please turn the help defense, and cutter help defense back to were it was on rele

                  can i deleted all the updates and have the game played when it was first released, i have a disc version, thanks.

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                  • ChaseB
                    #BringBackFaceuary
                    • Oct 2003
                    • 9844

                    #444
                    Re: Please turn the help defense, and cutter help defense back to were it was on rele

                    Originally posted by amedawg00
                    Sometimes I wonder why Sim players torture themselves with the AI, sliders, and everything in between trying to get realistic outcomes. None of these issues are magnified when you play in online leagues against actual human beings who know when and where to bring help amongst other anticipatory and reactionary counters that an AI can never replicate. Join an online league with like minded Sim ballers and Grow the online league community. Stop torturing yourselves with offline play against the robotic and deeply flawed AI. Once you find a legit online league you will cease the madness and torture of dealing with the AI.

                    Sent from my SM-G998U1 using Tapatalk
                    Even as someone who plays in online leagues like you (as you know) this is an odd statement to make, especially since it's like inflammatory on some level as well since online leagues are just not an option for many peeps for a variety of reasons. Even I don't do them every year because it's just not always manageable.

                    These things impact online leagues just like they do AI. A core part of the problem is you can't make individual players do what you need to do because not all the defensive settings even work, which is arguably a much bigger deal for online leagues and head-to-head play than even against AI where you can handicap yourself and tweak sliders etc. If individual settings were followed and such, then you wouldn't need to babysit everyone and do all the other stuff where you're swapping off-ball etc. to move peeps around and so on.

                    So, yeah, bad take, sorry mate. You know it pains me to say it to such a worthy long-time legend.

                    Originally posted by napoli
                    Yeah, he showed up a few hours ago, blocked me on Twitter for saying the game changed from before, told him a lie had been told

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                    Haha, oh so there was quite an obvious reason you got blocked then. Don't interact that way on Twitter, especially not with Czar. Come on man.

                    Originally posted by jrose57
                    can i deleted all the updates and have the game played when it was first released, i have a disc version, thanks.
                    In theory, but you would need to delete the install that happens with your disc, then re-install but never connect your console to the internet to get the updates.
                    Last edited by ChaseB; 10-09-2021, 02:37 AM.
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                    • jrose57
                      MVP
                      • Dec 2007
                      • 3513

                      #445
                      Re: Please turn the help defense, and cutter help defense back to were it was on rele

                      Originally posted by ChaseB
                      Even as someone who plays in online leagues like you (as you know) this is an odd statement to make, especially since it's like inflammatory on some level as well since online leagues are just not an option for many peeps for a variety of reasons. Even I don't do them every year because it's just not always manageable.

                      These things impact online leagues just like they do AI. A core part of the problem is you can't make individual players do what you need to do because not all the defensive settings even work, which is arguably a much bigger deal for online leagues and head-to-head play than even against AI where you can handicap yourself and tweak sliders etc. If individual settings were followed and such, then you wouldn't need to babysit everyone and do all the other stuff where you're swapping off-ball etc. to move peeps around and so on.

                      So, yeah, bad take, sorry mate. You know it pains me to say it to such a worthy long-time legend.



                      Haha, oh so there was quite an obvious reason you got blocked then. Don't interact that way on Twitter, especially not with Czar. Come on man.



                      In theory, but you would need to delete the install that happens with your disc, then re-install but never connect your console to the internet to get the updates.
                      Also means I won't be able to get updates from fifa 22 too...sigh I don't know whats the way out, 2k just has to kill my hopes not even 1month into the game!

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                      • bo_jax2000
                        MVP
                        • Nov 2007
                        • 1158

                        #446
                        Re: Please turn the help defense, and cutter help defense back to were it was on rele

                        Originally posted by Reddcheese
                        I guess my new aim/minigame is to see how many PIP I can get whilst maxxing out defensive settings on HOF.



                        At 1/2 time I got up to 68. Trae with 38 on 19/20 ,Capela with 14 7/8 and Collins with 8 on 4/5.



                        This is sooooo fun just like 2k21 but with $89 rookies. Can’t believe how intelligent the AI is. Technology continues to amaze me each year!


                        Do you stream your games? Or could you posts some screenshots.

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                        • jfsolo
                          Live Action, please?
                          • May 2003
                          • 12965

                          #447
                          Re: Please turn the help defense, and cutter help defense back to were it was on rele

                          Originally posted by jrose57
                          I can write an essay to respond to what you just said but rather do something else, in short, I like playing with the AI, and not against other USER, I like building a team winning championship in myleague mode, have been doing that for 10 years, simple as this.
                          It's interesting how people who like to play against the CPU can easily understand why someone else might like to play versus other Users, but people(not all, but a lot) who like to play against other Users seem to have a tough time grasping why other folks hate doing so.
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                          Do the same thing tomorrow. And the next. Now do it forever.

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                          • Luke Skywalker
                            Pro
                            • Dec 2014
                            • 917

                            #448
                            Re: Please turn the help defense, and cutter help defense back to were it was on rele

                            I lost faith in Czar. I’m resorting to sliders: making defense OP and watering down the offensive play. It’s really the only solution to enjoying this game (for me).

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                            • The 24th Letter
                              ERA
                              • Oct 2007
                              • 39373

                              #449
                              Re: Please turn the help defense, and cutter help defense back to were it was on rele

                              Originally posted by jfsolo
                              It's interesting how people who like to play against the CPU can easily understand why someone else might like to play versus other Users, but people(not all, but a lot) who like to play against other Users seem to have a tough time grasping why other folks hate doing so.
                              With all due respect- it's quite the opposite.

                              The outdated nose in air view toward online play is alive well...particularly in the "sim" community..

                              I can't remember a time where an online player came into a MyGm/League thread lamenting how they aren't interested in the mode, and that its mere exististance annoys them...or trying to equate their mode preference with maturity level.

                              I understand ame's approach isn't for everyone...TBH it should moreso be geared toward our frustrated online sim brothers....but I get it

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                              • bo_jax2000
                                MVP
                                • Nov 2007
                                • 1158

                                #450
                                Re: Please turn the help defense, and cutter help defense back to were it was on rele

                                Are people really only using the pick and roll to turbo by the defender and throw lobs? If you actually use the screen, the mid range game is viable.

                                https://youtu.be/R7U-rvUGkEc

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