Please turn the help defense, and cutter help defense back to were it was on release

[The 24th Letter]

Re: Please turn the help defense, and cutter help defense back to were it was on rele

Double teams are in the game...this triggered after Bosh's third basket

https://streamable.com/fn5ge1

Immediate mismatch double teams aren't automatic...pretty sure that was a conscious decision... but I've seen it later in games, not sure what determines it.

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[Smirkin Dirk]

Re: Please turn the help defense, and cutter help defense back to were it was on rele

Im just not seeing it. Rollers are heading into the paint. Even drive blow bys Im getting all the way to the rim all the time.

I just got an update so maybe thats it.

[el jimmy]

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Just got a roster update notification.

- Pnr defence seems to be playing up on the ball handler more.

- still leaving roll man too open for an easy assist (though this happened at launch too often)

- did have one instance where the help cane from the corner and tagged the roller (allowed me to hit the open man in the corner (Westbrook - makes sense they left him) the kind of play I love to get out of the pnr.

We'll see how this goes..

[AIRJ23]

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I’m seeing zero doubles currently. Jordan had 41, game tied with minutes to go. No doubles at all. My guys aren’t doubling dominant bigs, etc. Right now, to me, the defense feels like 2K21 except with the on ball defender magnetized to me like Payton in a game 7.

[VictorMG]

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The roll man in the NBA always averages more points per possession than the handler. That’s why the NBA drops to take them away and push the mid range.

But shouldn't the most common outcome of a pick-and-roll be a kickout pass to the three-point line?

[VictorMG]

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Immediate mismatch double teams aren't automatic...

That's a shame IMO. There are guys who get double-teams IRL without having a mismatch advantage, so to see no doubles even with a mismatch is discouraging.

[rudyjuly2]

Re: Please turn the help defense, and cutter help defense back to were it was on rele

But shouldn't the most common outcome of a pick-and-roll be a kickout pass to the three-point line?

No. Based on the top 50 PNR ball handlers last year the average person took a shot on 78% of their possessions. By far the most likely outcome is to keep and shoot. I don’t know what the kick out percentages are. Trae was 72% and Luka 74%.

https://www.nba.com/stats/players/ball-handler/#!?SeasonType=Regular%20Season&CF=POSS*G*5&sort=POSS&dir=1

[el jimmy]

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Dwight Howard with the matador defence.

https://youtu.be/2NFykAHa5gQ

That's mason plumlee in the corner (3pt rating : 58)

What's he so afraid of??

[AIRJ23]

Re: Please turn the help defense, and cutter help defense back to were it was on rele

Just to be clear, what’s the difference between jump shot strength & gather in the defensive settings?

Gonna try turning both down to 40 on the User side to see if I can start making ANY contested jump shots.

[rudyjuly2]

Re: Please turn the help defense, and cutter help defense back to were it was on rele

Dwight Howard with the matador defence.

https://youtu.be/2NFykAHa5gQ

That's mason plumlee in the corner (3pt rating : 58)

What's he so afraid of??

The bigger issue is AD. He’s the big here and he switches but his recognition is poor and it’s an easy blow bye. Either switch AND play good defence or drop and dare him to shoot the mid range. He does neither just like 2K21. I’d prefer Drop coverage that works but the big in PNR is still dumb.

[RunRickyRun24]

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So last night I was 3/12 from 3 with Steph … the 3 I made were wide open the other misses … they were semi contested 10% maybe?? A munch for sure. Is this broken?


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[VictorMG]

Re: Please turn the help defense, and cutter help defense back to were it was on rele

No. Based on the top 50 PNR ball handlers last year the average person took a shot on 78% of their possessions. By far the most likely outcome is to keep and shoot. I don’t know what the kick out percentages are. Trae was 72% and Luka 74%.

https://www.nba.com/stats/players/ba...ort=POSS&dir=1

Those stats don't account for a player who passes on a pick-and-roll play. If Trae Young gets a pick and then kicks to Kevin Huerter for a three, that doesn't go down as a pick-and-roll play; it's considered a spot-up, and Spot Up is the more common play type.

In 2021, there were 53,367 spot-up plays and 54,990 pick-and-roll ballhandler/roll man plays combined. That's barely more ballhandler/roll man plays put together than spot-up plays, and that also doesn't consider players turning the ball over on pick-and-roll kickouts (Trae Young alone had about 131 turnovers on pick-and-rolls), or if he kicks it out and then the recipient isos or gets his own pick.

[AIRJ23]

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So last night I was 3/12 from 3 with Steph … the 3 I made were wide open the other misses … they were semi contested 10% maybe?? A munch for sure. Is this broken?


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In my experience nothing even remotely contested goes in for us in 2K22 (but it does for CPU, or they have a much easier time getting open jumpers as I don’t guard them like magnets as they do me). I think you have to lower the jump shot release/gather sliders to make this game realistic in terms of shooting. Still not sure what the difference between gather and release are in this setting and if both in fact need to be lowered.

[alabamarob]

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Im just not seeing it. Rollers are heading into the paint. Even drive blow bys Im getting all the way to the rim all the time.

I just got an update so maybe thats it.

Does changing the sliders to custom affect the help defense? I am not saying it does but I wonder if this is why people are saying different things.

[alabamarob]

Re: Please turn the help defense, and cutter help defense back to were it was on rele

The roll man in the NBA always averages more points per possession than the handler. That’s why the NBA drops to take them away and push the mid range. Clint Capela had a high amount of rolls at 3.3 per game and 1.20 PPP. I’d say roughly 75% of the time the ball handler is forced to keep because of drop coverage and help. We still don’t see effective drop coverage which is crucial if they start going over on screens. Can anyone show me a video of the cpu playing effective drop coverage in this game vs PNR?

I will respectfully disagree with those that think PNR defence is in a good spot. I think it’s the worst we have seen this entire release of 2K22.

https://www.nba.com/stats/players/ro...=1&CF=POSS*G*1

I agree with the hedge defender. There is to much focus on the ballhandler. It is hell to get a floater off in this game. Even though, I think the pnr defense is in a good place the fact I can rarely get off a floater is a problem. Hopefully Czar can add some variety in the hedge defender.