The thing I notice is that the off ball gap is better then the on ball gap. It should be the other way around. We should be able to give poor shooters all that space off ball. But I like the direction they are going.
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The thing I notice is that the off ball gap is better then the on ball gap. It should be the other way around. We should be able to give poor shooters all that space off ball. But I like the direction they are going.Psn: Alabamarob
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Every other year, you see good and then... It gets boring and i got really old guys for fighting the good fight and all that mambo jambo.
I'm from current gen and day1 to until some ingame roster update. I've seen great help rotations, i've seen help the helper from weak side playing 1 to 2s. I've seen box and 1 kinda help positioning to defend paint vs pick n roll even just last week there was, i've seen switches and then switching back to right guy in order to fix mismatches happened and all that good stuff i've seen it all, i've had videos related to explain in my MLO to friends.
Well nevermind me and my post...Last edited by ataman5; 10-05-2021, 06:01 AM.Comment
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there was plenty of room to improve such as pre rotating a big off of a non shooting big, choosing where you want the help to come from, whom you want to run off the 3 point line off the rotationComment
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Until Eccentric, Dirk and a couple other guys chimed in I was gonna add that I was testing on default HOF and SS, with the default roster, on next gen.
Was wondering if one of those 3 factors (or combo of the 3) was playing a part but I guess not.
I still see situations where theres no help when there clearly should be, particularly in PnR, but I'm not sure what's happening for the guys who aren't seeing anything at all corrected.
One thing I'm trying to figure out is what defensive settings aren't working besides Leave Him and Pre Rotate. There's definitely more. For example, I set everyone to off ball gap so as to at least try to resemble an NBA defense, but then on shooters on ball will be tight to have them close out.
I had Jalen Green on ball set to moderate, then changed to tight after he hit a couple. All the while however, the AI Devin Booker would stand there about 7 feet away from him while the ball was in Jalen's hand. He was the only one on the floor being played like this. There's definitely some hard coded stuff goin on.Die hard Heat and Dolphins fan since '89
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Now they restored the game where it was... responsive and players not in the mud anymore.... don't touch it anymore 2k.
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Re: Please turn the help defense, and cutter help defense back to were it was on rele
Until Eccentric, Dirk and a couple other guys chimed in I was gonna add that I was testing on default HOF and SS, with the default roster, on next gen.
Was wondering if one of those 3 factors (or combo of the 3) was playing a part but I guess not.
I still see situations where theres no help when there clearly should be, particularly in PnR, but I'm not sure what's happening for the guys who aren't seeing anything at all corrected.
One thing I'm trying to figure out is what defensive settings aren't working besides Leave Him and Pre Rotate. There's definitely more. For example, I set everyone to off ball gap so as to at least try to resemble an NBA defense, but then on shooters on ball will be tight to have them close out.
I had Jalen Green on ball set to moderate, then changed to tight after he hit a couple. All the while however, the AI Devin Booker would stand there about 7 feet away from him while the ball was in Jalen's hand. He was the only one on the floor being played like this. There's definitely some hard coded stuff goin on.Psn: Alabamarob
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For sure! I don’t want anything perfect every time. I didn’t see help once though. Not 1x last night. I honestly think I didn’t get an update because I can see your videos in here and Rudy’s post of sagging off. But my game doesn’t have that either. Nor did it have the small ball. I know 24 is on Xbox next gen as am I. Is everyone else as well?Basketball Playbooks
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Posted this in main impressions. Definitely seeing different things. The Over defence and sagging in particular.
I’m seeing more “over” PNR coverage now. Before it was 99% under. And I swear they are really sagging off bad shooters now. Josh Jackson is a 30% deep threat and they ran away from covering him!
Uh oh. They are sagging way too often and in decent shooters like Jerami Grant. Wth?
Good help on PNR and x-out.
https://twitter.com/rudyjuly2/status...939075076?s=21
Is the cpu adjusting as game goes on on shooter? Playing tight as game goes on or player gets hot? I like to see the sag.
That’s a nice X out but it’s user and I’d like to see if tag man X’s out to switch on the X. Love to see that with cpu. Although I actually did see that 2x last night after a double on the perimeter PNR and it looked and felt great. I recorded it just no idea how to get it on here?Last edited by vannwolfhawk; 10-05-2021, 12:40 PM.Basketball Playbooks
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It just happened for me. I’m now getting help.
So, I got on and was playing a few games and still nothing just like last night. I then got into a new game and everything was slower. I thought my sliders were messed up so I reloaded them. Same thing game was slow, players were slower. So I knew I got an update as I was just playing a few games earlier and it was night and day.
So I started testing PNR and sure enough I’m getting all of the help defense and rotations now. There was no update or anything. I literally started a new game after playing a few. I also saw sagging off Rudy Gobert. Also seeing the small ball on big/little mismatches now.
On a negative note on the 2 side/strong side of the pnr it’s weird rotations as I’m seeing the top wing help and the bottom lift leaving the corner 3 wide open on the drive and kick to cover 2. Not sure why it’s not the weakside coming to help there? That’s with me running Fist 15 Spread down to the 2 side. That’s a problem and not where the help should come from at all.
Edit #1 - it seems random. I just got proper weak side help from corner in same play 2x in a row in a different game, same play.
Edit #2 - New game same bad rotation 4x in a row leaving Ingles wide open for 4 straight wide open 3’s in the corner for 12 points. Lol I’m assuming this is an ACE thing and after timeout it will change? Will report back. Same play By the way…
Anyways, good news for me as I finally got what others had already received. Weird that mine didn’t get updated when everyone else’s did. But it seems others had the same as well… So, if you were like me go check it now and see if you got something…Last edited by vannwolfhawk; 10-05-2021, 02:31 PM.Basketball Playbooks
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It just happened for me. I’m now getting help.
So, I got on and was playing a few games and still nothing just like last night. I then got into a new game and everything was slower. I thought my sliders were messed up so I reloaded them. Same thing game was slow, players were slower. So I knew I got an update as I was just playing a few games earlier and it was night and day.
So I started testing PNR and sure enough I’m getting all of the help defense and rotations now. There was no update or anything. I literally started a new game after playing a few. I also saw sagging off Rudy Gobert. Also seeing the small ball on big/little mismatches now.
On a negative note on the 2 side/strong side of the pnr it’s weird rotations as I’m seeing the top wing help and the bottom lift leaving the corner 3 wide open on the drive and kick to cover 2. Not sure why it’s not the weakside coming to help there? That’s with me running Fist 15 Spread down to the 2 side. That’s a problem and not where the help should come from at all.
Edit #1 - it seems random. I just got proper weak side help from corner in same play 2x in a row in a different game, same play.
Edit #2 - New game same bad rotation 4x in a row leaving Ingles wide open for 4 straight wide open 3’s in the corner for 12 points. Lol I’m assuming this is an ACE thing and after timeout it will change? Will report back. Same play By the way…
Anyways, good news for me as I finally got what others had already received. Weird that mine didn’t get updated when everyone else’s did. But it seems others had the same as well… So, if you were like me go check it now and see if you got something…
And yes same on those examples,too. I find odd helps coming from very wrong players and mostly leaving corner 3 for a wide open shot.Comment
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Id restart each time and have different coverages each time. So I believe it’s ACE. ACE was adjusting coverages after every timeout so I was seeing different things but it was way too easy to score. But that’s with no slider changes to help cpu AI and defensive coverages so I’m sure I can dial it back in.
But the 2 side help on the strong side should never happen. But if it was to happen then it should be reversed. The bottom guy helps them the wing drops to play 2. Not the other way around. Then on the corner pass the wing defender playing 2 should play the 1st pass and the corner help defender should X out. So as of now it’s programmed wrong and is leaving wide open shots. Like I said I was getting 40 points per quarter just running PNR and hitting the open man.Basketball Playbooks
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Ya it seems random. What I did was tested 5 games of 12 minute 1st quarters. I was jazz and had 35-40 points each quarter I played.
Id restart each time and have different coverages each time. So I believe it’s ACE. ACE was adjusting coverages after every timeout so I was seeing different things but it was way too easy to score. But that’s with no slider changes to help cpu AI and defensive coverages so I’m sure I can dial it back in.
But the 2 side help on the strong side should never happen. But if it was to happen then it should be reversed. The bottom guy helps them the wing drops to play 2. Not the other way around. Then on the corner pass the wing defender playing 2 should play the 1st pass and the corner help defender should X out. So as of now it’s programmed wrong and is leaving wide open shots. Like I said I was getting 40 points per quarter just running PNR and hitting the open man.Comment
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