Please turn the help defense, and cutter help defense back to were it was on release

[vannwolfhawk]

Re: Please turn the help defense, and cutter help defense back to were it was on rele

Is anyone able to create true "Drop" PnR defense this year? Even when I put my settings to "No Hedge", the hedge man still plays too tight/high and gets blown by if I don't control him. Is there any way to avoid this?

You can use force sideline (slightly shades ball handler), go over screen, then manually use the big to drop. If you don’t want to manually use the big then no. You will get it in ICE on the wings though. As far as the cpu goes no true drop coverage and it’s not in the game properly.

[jk31]

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You can use force sideline (slightly shades ball handler), go over screen, then manually use the big to drop. If you don’t want to manually use the big then no. You will get it in ICE on the wings though. As far as the cpu goes no true drop coverage and it’s not in the game properly.

Is the ICE setting actually working this year? it wasnt in 2k20 and 2k21.

[rudyjuly2]

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There was an update yesterday morning. Only played 1 game since but I didn’t see the blatant sagging in my last game. I made some trades and Jerami Grant 3 point shot has gone from 77 to 80+ in the franchise so I only had a chance to observe Killian who is like a 70 and they didn’t sag on him.

It does seem like the guards can dodge screens a little easier but maybe that just in my head. Maybe a little more help at the rim. I was playing Indiana and they had Sabonis, Turner AND Capela for crying out loud. I paid a few times lol. They had 4 blocks in a 24 minute game.

[AIRJ23]

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At the very least I can confirm double teams DO work if you manually set them in the defensive settings during games.

Getting to the hole still feels too 2K21ish sometimes.

All they need to do is cut off those super easy drives and it’d be fine enough to me.

[jeebs9]

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I was playing a game PNO. This is close as I can get to a sort of drop defense. But as you can see the computer will still register my man as open. No matter what I do. And in my opinion I'm near the offensive player. There is just no need for Morris to come running into the lane like he did.

https://youtu.be/W6tPk7qlyVc

Offensively I feel bad for my opponent in this situation. He made the right choice of the pass. The angle was bad. But with Kawhi, he'll grab anything around him.

[vannwolfhawk]

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I was playing a game PNO. This is close as I can get to a sort of drop defense. But as you can see the computer will still register my man as open. No matter what I do. And in my opinion I'm near the offensive player. There is just no need for Morris to come running into the lane like he did.

https://youtu.be/W6tPk7qlyVc

Offensively I feel bad for my opponent in this situation. He made the right choice of the pass. The angle was bad. But with Kawhi, he'll grab anything around him.

This is too funny! So, we have been complaining we can’t get a tag on the roll and you are trying to play drop coverage (where no tag or help is needed) and what happens? The cpu comes to tag and leave the corner wide open. Lol The tag should never have come if you are dropping and in drop coverage. That’s the whole point. It just shows how bad the system is right now. It’s not even recognizing you were helping and that you had the roll covered.

[vannwolfhawk]

Re: Please turn the help defense, and cutter help defense back to were it was on rele

At the very least I can confirm double teams DO work if you manually set them in the defensive settings during games.

Getting to the hole still feels too 2K21ish sometimes.

All they need to do is cut off those super easy drives and it’d be fine enough to me.

Are you talking setting them for the cpu pre game or for your team? Or both?

[Dione2014]

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Unfortunately not. The settings don't seem to work. I resort to quickly tapping A or X (on PS4/5) to manually change players and drop on the roll man.

Unless you mean editing cpu defence? Then in that case also no, it doesn't work and the help d, cutter help was removed in a patch so the pnr is very easy to exploit.

That’s really sad to hear man. The fact that Czar told us that he did this on purpose is what really stings. To please the competitive community?

I sure hope he isn’t talking about 2K league because viewership for that product is in the crapper for sure. Like YouTube view numbers are looking real bad. Maybe I’m missing something. but come on man.

Options is what we are striving for. We need to be about to adjust everything to our liking if the community is going to be this diverse. Changes made for online play is not always what’s best for offline. Which is what we are seeing now with the PNR debacle.




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[ataman5]

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That’s really sad to hear man. The fact that Czar told us that he did this on purpose is what really stings. To please the competitive community?

I sure hope he isn’t talking about 2K league because viewership for that product is in the crapper for sure. Like YouTube view numbers are looking real bad. Maybe I’m missing something. but come on man.

Options is what we are striving for. We need to be about to adjust everything to our liking if the community is going to be this diverse. Changes made for online play is not always what’s best for offline. Which is what we are seeing now with the PNR debacle.




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We need to settle for the modes with the right terminologies in this case that are not "online" but game modes of 'MyCareer mode and its sub branches, MyTam mode' Other than these 2 modes we want true basketball simulation so those involve online modes as well 5v5 NBA/WNBA modes, MLO, ML, PNO, PN Offline etc.

Seperate MyTeam and MyCareer. It's not online vs offline thing.

[rudyjuly2]

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The cpu shows great drop coverage here! I think the game has increased the warping a bit to help out but this was nice! Siakam drops perfectly to help on the PNR drive and maintains good position on the roll and steals my bad pass.

https://twitter.com/rudyjuly2/status/1449319830637752321?s=21

Slow footed Garza doing some drop

https://twitter.com/rudyjuly2/status/1449333080100163584?s=21

[jeebs9]

Re: Please turn the help defense, and cutter help defense back to were it was on rele

The cpu shows great drop coverage here! I think the game has increased the warping a bit to help out but this was nice! Siakam drops perfectly to help on the PNR drive and maintains good position on the roll and steals my bad pass.

https://twitter.com/rudyjuly2/status/1449319830637752321?s=21

Slow footed Garza doing some drop
https://twitter.com/rudyjuly2/status...100163584?s=21

I'm the second clip the weak defender is still helping lol. The worst part is he's running into the like there is a fire. If they made him jab or jump n get back to his man. They be awesome. The cou logic and urgency to help in that situation is crimen m broken.

I don't have an example. But even when I put leave him. I'll have 2 wings leaving their man lol

[rudyjuly2]

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I'm the second clip the weak defender is still helping lol. The worst part is he's running into the like there is a fire. If they made him jab or jump n get back to his man. They be awesome. The cou logic and urgency to help in that situation is crimen m broken.

I don't have an example. But even when I put leave him. I'll have 2 wings leaving their man lol

I think the second example is still good. The drive takes him to the other side of the floor and Killian in the now weak side corner helps on the roller and is still able to close out on the shooter. If we want to be picky we should be pointing out that the offensive player in that corner should have lifted to prevent that easy close out by Killian. Then they would have had a kick out 3 on the wing.

[jeebs9]

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I think the second example is still good. The drive takes him to the other side of the floor and Killian in the now weak side corner helps on the roller and is still able to close out on the shooter. If we want to be picky we should be pointing out that the offensive player in that corner should have lifted to prevent that easy close out by Killian. Then they would have had a kick out 3 on the wing.

Yes he should of filled. That's what we want lol! The offensive player should of filled to the top of the key.

That's one thing. But the defender shouldn't get to the paint like he did. He seems out of control in my opinion.

The roller is open in that second clip. So I can see why the wing defender helped. Screenshot below.

I think at the end of the day. We want control. We want to program our teammate to be on the same page. Before all this nonsense. Most of us were pretty happy. Now we can't control where the help is coming from. Screenshot_20211016-100328.jpg

[xCoachDx]

Please turn the help defense, and cutter help defense back to were it was on release

I think the second example is still good. The drive takes him to the other side of the floor and Killian in the now weak side corner helps on the roller and is still able to close out on the shooter. If we want to be picky we should be pointing out that the offensive player in that corner should have lifted to prevent that easy close out by Killian. Then they would have had a kick out 3 on the wing.

The second example is showing a massive problem. That is NOT proper coverage in any way unless they are deliberately leaving a non shooter in the corner. However, the game does this kind of rotation by default regardless of who they would be leaving open.

My HS team runs a lot of ball screens to the 3 man side just like that. My corner guys know that if their defender steps into the paint like that, they lift to the wing and we have an easy kick back for a catch and shoot (can get you good post looks too if your Center knows to seal when the ball is thrown behind them).

The drive takes him to the opposite side of the floor long after the help has stepped in. The help side would be the opposite side of the floor from the screener when the PnR first begins.

This rotation has been in the game for YEARS and causes so many issues that it baffles me how unnoticed it has gone. I can remember as far back as 2K14 this was happening. I’m glad it’s being brought to light now. Just hope it gets addressed in the future.

[strosdood]

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Anyone heard from Da Czar? He’s went completely silent, hope he’s ok


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