Please turn the help defense, and cutter help defense back to were it was on release

[The 24th Letter]

Re: Please turn the help defense, and cutter help defense back to were it was on rele

This isn't a MyCareer/Park issue

That rhetoric stifles real conversation

https://youtu.be/yuPyiPfMimk

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[AIRJ23]

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Lol... I havent even tried MyCareer just seen the commercials for it and all I can say is...wow lol

But yea the scenario of changing the CPU settings seemed to be gone in 2k22. I even tried using two controllers. Im a keep testing to see what I can do to register the CPU helping more and sagging of bigs. I wonder if the defensive awareness slider has anything to do with helping.

I've also upped the help defensive coaching slider to 95 and Zone to 75 but its seems like those do not do anything. Man I wish 2k would just explain some of this s*** or just come out and tell us which things do not work this year.

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You’re kidding. The only thing that made 21 tolerable was being able to manually double players AND go into other team settings to double my hot players. 2K22 really can’t do even that!???

So they’re taking it from best to worst in one patch, huh.

Do I find that Help D coaching slider in each team’s individual coaching settings?

Might be time to maximize every players help D with global adjustments.

Here we go. 2K21 PTSD all over again. Looks like I’ll be copying my maxed out 21 defense sliders into 22.

[Smirkin Dirk]

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Tried this with the one controller trick.

You can see the help D kind of there, but as soon as I stress test by calling a spread iso, it isn't effective.

That is with an average speed player and not even turbo aswell.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mYiI3s5Duj8

[jeebs9]

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Hahahaha this is hilarious because I played next gen and couldn't figure out why the **** this kept happening vs my brother at his place. But next day we were playing on current gen and this wasn't happening. Makes total sense. I was ****ing losing it [emoji1787]

[jeebs9]

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I don't know guys. I am seeing too many bigs hugging players at perimeter right now, playing on current gen. I really hope I am wrong, but it seems current was touched as well as next gen. If not, sure looks that way.

I just noticed it myself.... ****... I guess I'm mixed in too now. How the **** do we turn off updates? I'm tried of years of this happening to us. This is why I keep coming back to the same things. GIVE US OPTIONS! We get undercut like this it hurts! A lot of us have been really happy with the game. I know I have.

[ataman5]

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I don't know guys. I am seeing too many bigs hugging players at perimeter right now, playing on current gen. I really hope I am wrong, but it seems current was touched as well as next gen. If not, sure looks that way.

I think unfortunately you're right. :/

[alabamarob]

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Lack of help defense also screws the rebounding back up. 8 of the 10 players all standing at the 3 point line, while the computer dribbles back and forth trying to slide past you for a layup. No more gang rebounding like before. Now Bam Adebayo will grab 10 rebounds a quarter. Smh.

But hey, got to make sure the competitive guys don’t give up corner 3’s

[VictorMG]

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Lack of help defense also screws the rebounding back up. 8 of the 10 players all standing at the 3 point line, while the computer dribbles back and forth trying to slide past you for a layup. No more gang rebounding like before. Now Bam Adebayo will grab 10 rebounds a quarter. Smh.

But hey, got to make sure the competitive guys don’t give up corner 3’s

Does Bam have Hustle Rebounder? I know it was OP in 2K21, and tbh I don't know if he deserves it.

You can check that for any player who gets too many boards in your games.

[alabamarob]

Re: Please turn the help defense, and cutter help defense back to were it was on rele

Does Bam have Hustle Rebounder? I know it was OP in 2K21, and tbh I don't know if he deserves it.

You can check that for any player who gets too many boards in your games.

Its not the badges. Before when there was help defense, the paint would be more clogged on those forced drives and cuts. So the rebounds were more spread out. Now its just the screen man, his defender, and whoever shoots the ball and their defender going two on two for every rebound.

90 percent of 2k’s game is damn near flawless. When the help defense was active the game was more random like real life. The points, rebounds and assists more spread around, and there was a individual flow to every game. I really didn’t appreciate a lot of the great work that the Devs did on the offensive AI, right stick, post moves, and right stick defense until I saw it with good help defense. Then the vision of the game all made sense. When the help defense was right it all came together. Now that the game is really 2 on 2 most of the time since the 5 man defense is gone. A lot of the games feel the same, and are very predictable stat and outcome wise.

[xCoachDx]

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You're playing sim minded ballers on HOF right? Changes the dynamic and percentages a bit.

Here's an example from a "comp player"

https://twitter.com/SplashEdition/status/1442630815083638784?s=19

This clip shows the ultimate issue to the problem. The defender in the right corner steps in to help. YOU DON’T DO THIS. Even Czar said help defense should come from the weakside. But it doesn’t. THAT is what needs to be fixed. It’s been an issue since the 360/PS3 days.

[Luke Skywalker]

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I tried every slider combo I can do to help the computer stop me on Pick & Roll or Iso. I put my speed down, I put the CPU speed up to 100. Everything 100: Speed, Accel, Lat Quickness, Help D Strength, Def Awareness, Def Consistency, 100 Inside and Driving Frequency slider, 100 Layup Gather and Release ... I went to the CPU Coaching Settings and set everyone to double in the post and double on any drives. I think I was onto something, but I am not sure, I got stopped a few times - it felt like the out of box game, but then other times, it was easy. Then again, I was using my team (the Nets) and James Harden and Kyrie are dominant. I will try again with an average player like Collin Sexton or D'Aaron Fox (fastest player) to see if I have the same success.

[arcform]

Re: Please turn the help defense, and cutter help defense back to were it was on rele

I tried every slider combo I can do to help the computer stop me on Pick & Roll or Iso. I put my speed down, I put the CPU speed up to 100. Everything 100: Speed, Accel, Lat Quickness, Help D Strength, Def Awareness, Def Consistency, 100 Inside and Driving Frequency slider, 100 Layup Gather and Release ... I went to the CPU Coaching Settings and set everyone to double in the post and double on any drives. I think I was onto something, but I am not sure, I got stopped a few times - it felt like the out of box game, but then other times, it was easy. Then again, I was using my team (the Nets) and James Harden and Kyrie are dominant. I will try again with an average player like Collin Sexton or D'Aaron Fox (fastest player) to see if I have the same success.

Hey good to see I am not the only one who does this kind of testing, in regards to Kyrie, Harden, Collin Sexton, and Fox. At times I would even try Lavine. These guys are either very fast or super explosive when driving against defense on 2K. Great for testing when trying to see if an entire defense can be exposed.

[rjohns23]

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Lack of help defense also screws the rebounding back up. 8 of the 10 players all standing at the 3 point line, while the computer dribbles back and forth trying to slide past you for a layup. No more gang rebounding like before. Now Bam Adebayo will grab 10 rebounds a quarter. Smh.



But hey, got to make sure the competitive guys don’t give up corner 3’s

To help with the rebound some I put the rebound slider to offensive 21 and defensive 20 for both user and CPU. This helped out some. I started seeing more tips and guards getting rebounds....at 50, KAT had 26 rebounds on me. 12 in the 1st quarter.



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[Luke Skywalker]

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Hey good to see I am not the only one who does this kind of testing, in regards to Kyrie, Harden, Collin Sexton, and Fox. At times I would even try Lavine. These guys are either very fast or super explosive when driving against defense on 2K. Great for testing when trying to see if an entire defense can be exposed.

We need to keep testing, maybe with the movement sliders too - the Computer has to be able to recover fast. Also, we should try messing with the other sliders that compliment these star players:

* Ball Handling slider for example, so ball handlers like Kyrie etc aren't as impactful.

* Fatigue Rate: how often we use turbo, and exhert the player's energy. This will mitigate us (the user) from constantly trying to drive the lane.

* Ball Security: works in hand with Ball Handling, make the ball tangible so the computer can strip you if you are reckless with the rock.

* Sensitivity: crank this up and try and get any contact/collisions.

Anything we can do to deter the user from exploiting the game.

[arcform]

Re: Please turn the help defense, and cutter help defense back to were it was on rele

We need to keep testing, maybe with the movement sliders too - the Computer has to be able to recover fast. Also, we should try messing with the other sliders that compliment these star players:



* Ball Handling slider for example, so ball handlers like Kyrie etc aren't as impactful.



* Fatigue Rate: how often we use turbo, and exhert the player's energy. This will mitigate us (the user) from constantly trying to drive the lane.



* Ball Security: works in hand with Ball Handling, make the ball tangible so the computer can strip you if you are reckless with the rock.



* Sensitivity: crank this up and try and get any contact/collisions.



Anything we can do to deter the user from exploiting the game.

I agree...

Ball Handling: I got mine at 0. Looks slower on 50 Gamespeed, so I have my Gamespeed at 70 so it does not look too slow. I also balanced out movement to include attribute sliders so it still looks smooth and not twitchy. I am seeing players drop the ball out of bounds on their own like in real life, without defenders nearby. Players pickup their dribble. Even lose the ball on very hard crossover or fancy dribble attempts. If a pass is a little off the player may also have to pickup the ball.


Fatigue Rate: mine is at 50...but I went with Stamina at 0 and seeing many timeouts used per game...at least 5-6 per team with it set to Auto. I dont care about the gatorade symbol because players still play well. Timeouts are being taken even with big leads. I am seeing more scoring runs also.


* Ball Security: I kept mine at 50 due to Ballhandling being lowered to 0. Also Defense seems to lower aggression if set lower. May be a current gen issue.



* Sensitivity: mine is at 100